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If you could change the game of soccer...?
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:06 am
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:06 am
I love the beautiful game, but there are certain things I would change to reflect other sports if I had the opportunity.
1. The clock: I expect to get some crap for this, but I really just think it's better to have it set up the way we do in American sports. That way, it's a set time and everyone knows when the game is over. This way, you would have to stop the clock when the ball goes out of play, but I think this would be better than having a referee decide when to end the game himself. It would also cut down on time wasting, and it could make the final seconds more dramatic.
2. The away goals tiebreaker: Say what you want about penalties, but I really hate the away goals tiebreaker. To me, the idea that two teams can tie twice and have one declared the winner is insanity to me. If you can't figure out a three game series, I'd rather see them resort to penalties or figure something else out.
3. Crack down on diving: I don't think I have to explain this one.
4. Goal line technology: This would be easier with a clock that counts down, but it would help eliminate some controversy.
5. Head to head tiebreaker: I think they already do this in La Liga, but I think I would prefer to see this over goal differential as the first tiebreaker for both leagues and group play in tournaments or qualification.
Anyone else have any thoughts? I know this is a strange thread, but I was wondering if anyone else had any opinions about this/other rules.
1. The clock: I expect to get some crap for this, but I really just think it's better to have it set up the way we do in American sports. That way, it's a set time and everyone knows when the game is over. This way, you would have to stop the clock when the ball goes out of play, but I think this would be better than having a referee decide when to end the game himself. It would also cut down on time wasting, and it could make the final seconds more dramatic.
2. The away goals tiebreaker: Say what you want about penalties, but I really hate the away goals tiebreaker. To me, the idea that two teams can tie twice and have one declared the winner is insanity to me. If you can't figure out a three game series, I'd rather see them resort to penalties or figure something else out.
3. Crack down on diving: I don't think I have to explain this one.
4. Goal line technology: This would be easier with a clock that counts down, but it would help eliminate some controversy.
5. Head to head tiebreaker: I think they already do this in La Liga, but I think I would prefer to see this over goal differential as the first tiebreaker for both leagues and group play in tournaments or qualification.
Anyone else have any thoughts? I know this is a strange thread, but I was wondering if anyone else had any opinions about this/other rules.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 8:17 am
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Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:18 am to ohiovol
Truly get rid of diving. And I am not even talking about the occasional flop, which happens in almost every sport - I am talking about the "rolling on the ground, clutching at their leg like that shite got amputated at the knee" act when replay shows there was no contact whatsoever with the defender.
God how I wish someone on the pitch would sack up and tell these guys what little bitches they look like, and refs would actually card for simulation like they are supposed to. And if the refs can't make the call between real and fake on the pitch, then players need to be fined / suspended after the fact by the league (extremely easy to do with replay). Something like 1st offense = fine, second offense = big fine, 3rd offense = 2 match ban.
ETA: Agree with you on 2, 3, and 4, but the drama of "stoppage time" can be just epic. The field is too large, and plays take too long (in real time) to develop for the same kind of "final 10 seconds" drama as say, basketball or hockey.
God how I wish someone on the pitch would sack up and tell these guys what little bitches they look like, and refs would actually card for simulation like they are supposed to. And if the refs can't make the call between real and fake on the pitch, then players need to be fined / suspended after the fact by the league (extremely easy to do with replay). Something like 1st offense = fine, second offense = big fine, 3rd offense = 2 match ban.
ETA: Agree with you on 2, 3, and 4, but the drama of "stoppage time" can be just epic. The field is too large, and plays take too long (in real time) to develop for the same kind of "final 10 seconds" drama as say, basketball or hockey.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:31 am to ohiovol
I wouldnt change 1 or 2. to me, 1 is one of the things that makes football superior to other sports.
I could see suspensions if replay show their was no contact, but rolling around on contact would be hard to regulate.
I'm all for that, shouldnt take more than 20 seconds for someone in the booth, to tell the ref its a goal.
indifferent about your last one.
I could see suspensions if replay show their was no contact, but rolling around on contact would be hard to regulate.
I'm all for that, shouldnt take more than 20 seconds for someone in the booth, to tell the ref its a goal.
indifferent about your last one.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:34 am to ohiovol
Flopping & goalline technology...that's it.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:35 am to ohiovol
Goal line technology will be a reality.
If a player is taken off on a stretcher he is either immediately subbed for, or if not hurt to the point of being unable to continue, he must sit out for ten minutes. It would be called the Alves Rule.
If a player is taken off on a stretcher he is either immediately subbed for, or if not hurt to the point of being unable to continue, he must sit out for ten minutes. It would be called the Alves Rule.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:43 am to glassman
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If a player is taken off on a stretcher he is either immediately subbed for, or if not hurt to the point of being unable to continue, he must sit out for ten minutes. It would be called the Alves Rule.
I'd definitely get in line on this.
I'm also all for European leagues adopting the South American and MLS technique of the ref spray painting the lines for free kicks. It was mentioned during a game during the weekend (may have been Arsenal) that there couldn't have been more than 6 yards between the ball and the wall by the time the guy kicked it.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:44 am to glassman
I would just make the following 3 changes.
1) Change it to where the clock CAN be stopped at the ref’s discretion for injuries/fights, but let it keep running for throw ins/goal kicks/etc.
2) Goal Line Technology – Obvious, but either make goals reviewable (ref can also stop time for this, shouldn’t matter as it occurs maybe once every 3 games) or have some RFID tech that makes a light or noise when the ball passes a certain point.
3) A review committee that will watch game film after matches and decide if there have been flagrant (keyword here) abuses of flopping/diving and award fines and suspensions.
These three are all pretty small and shouldn’t change the game much at all besides improving the consistent things everyone seems to hate.
1) Change it to where the clock CAN be stopped at the ref’s discretion for injuries/fights, but let it keep running for throw ins/goal kicks/etc.
2) Goal Line Technology – Obvious, but either make goals reviewable (ref can also stop time for this, shouldn’t matter as it occurs maybe once every 3 games) or have some RFID tech that makes a light or noise when the ball passes a certain point.
3) A review committee that will watch game film after matches and decide if there have been flagrant (keyword here) abuses of flopping/diving and award fines and suspensions.
These three are all pretty small and shouldn’t change the game much at all besides improving the consistent things everyone seems to hate.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:55 am to DestrehanTiger
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It was mentioned during a game during the weekend (may have been Arsenal) that there couldn't have been more than 6 yards between the ball and the wall by the time the guy kicked it.
Remember this as well, the announcer seemed pretty upset about it actually
Posted on 3/26/12 at 8:57 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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3) A review committee that will watch game film after matches and decide if there have been flagrant (keyword here) abuses of flopping/diving and award fines and suspensions.
This has already occurred in MLS with Davies getting fined. I'm not sure why it's not more prevalent.
This, in addition to the free-kick spray thing, shows that the MLS is clearly a morally superior league to that euro trash we call the EPL, La Liga, etc.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 9:17 am to cwil177
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This has already occurred in MLS with Davies getting fined. I'm not sure why it's not more prevalent.
Awesome, that's the ONLY way I can see players caring enough to actually stop doing it, on the other hand some people probably will resist this change... Just because some of their top players will never be on the pitch (I'm looking at you pool/Suarez)
Posted on 3/26/12 at 9:40 am to Jumbeauxlaya
Agreed about reviewing flops, goal line technology, head-to-head tiebreaker, free-kick spray, and stopping time for injuries/fights.
I'll also throw in more subs. They should have at least five. Speeding up the entering/exiting process would negate any extra time required.
I'll also throw in more subs. They should have at least five. Speeding up the entering/exiting process would negate any extra time required.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:18 am to NOTORlOUSD
I would like to see games end with a winner.
Goal line technology.
If flops are found during a game it will result in suspensions and/or fines.
Goal line technology.
If flops are found during a game it will result in suspensions and/or fines.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:25 am to itawambadog
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If flops are found during a game it will result in suspensions and/or fines.
And more than one game with a hefty fine attached. That would stop that garbage!!
Goal line technology is only a matter of time.
Otherwise, it's still the "Beautiful Game".
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:32 am to ohiovol
Ending the game in PKs. I'd rather them take a player off every 5 mins and let the game open up.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:40 am to ohiovol
I'm fine with the clock as it is, and I wouldn't want to lose the drama from stoppage time.
Away goals only matter in tournaments with two leg matchups. Group play uses points, knockout rounds are one and done. The tournaments usually don't have extra time for extra matches to be played, so some other method would be needed to replace away goals.
Kill diving. Goal line technology will happen eventually.
The thing about head to head in a league setting is that league placement is more about cumulative performance in the league and not just against one team. Goal differential is a better measure of performance during the entire season than just two matches against one opponent. I'm fine with GD.
Away goals only matter in tournaments with two leg matchups. Group play uses points, knockout rounds are one and done. The tournaments usually don't have extra time for extra matches to be played, so some other method would be needed to replace away goals.
Kill diving. Goal line technology will happen eventually.
The thing about head to head in a league setting is that league placement is more about cumulative performance in the league and not just against one team. Goal differential is a better measure of performance during the entire season than just two matches against one opponent. I'm fine with GD.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:41 am to GeorgeTheGreek
That does sound entertaining at least messi vs Ronaldo for all the marbles? With goal keepers
But itwamdog or whatever your name is, I didn't like ties at first either but they're part of the game.. Wouldn't be the same without it
messi vs Ronaldo for all the marbles? With goal keepers But itwamdog or whatever your name is, I didn't like ties at first either but they're part of the game.. Wouldn't be the same without it
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:41 am to ohiovol
Disagree with all of them except goal line technology.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:46 am to ohiovol
less Mexicans
Posted on 3/26/12 at 10:52 am to hendersonshands
2 more things that need to stop
- the "ref made a bad call so lets all encircle him and yell" BS
captains are there for a reason. refs should be yellow card machines in that situation
-all the grabbing and tackling on corner and set pieces near box. i cant believe the stuff they allow the defenders to get away with now
- the "ref made a bad call so lets all encircle him and yell" BS
captains are there for a reason. refs should be yellow card machines in that situation
-all the grabbing and tackling on corner and set pieces near box. i cant believe the stuff they allow the defenders to get away with now
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:05 am to itawambadog
The only ones mentioned above that I agree with are goal line technology and away goals.
I would add an "attempt to play through contact benefit" as well as more lenient red card ruling for goalkeepers.
Playing through contact: this has to come from how the game is called more than a specific rule change but it's frustrating that players who try to play through contact usually get no call while players who go down easily are rewarded. Think Robben in the last WC or surely an example from about every match played.
Goalkeeper Red Cards: It seems like too many matches I see where a GK fouls in sincere attempt to play the ball in an one on one and gets a red card where a PK/yellow would be sufficient punishment.
Away Goals: Instituted to discourage teams from bunkering on the away leg, seems that it can just as easily cause it on the home leg.
Flopping: I'm not sure about the 10 minute rule Glassman mentions. I agree that you'd see less Alves/Busquets type faking for a card. However, it's still more common that players are actually hit in the head or kicked hard as hell and that rule would punish the wrong team in those situations. (As a Roma fan, I watched the "kick a Totti tactic" employed way too much to think Lazio should be rewarded by having him off for 10 minutes after the 25th kick to the ankle.)
Not sure about other leagues, but Serie A has started suspending players for obvious dives (Krasic, for ex, had a lengthy one last season) and it's curtailed blatant dives in the area but flops are much harder to tell from video.
There's too many times when I think a player is totally faking from the replay but they end up getting a dozen stitches.
I would add an "attempt to play through contact benefit" as well as more lenient red card ruling for goalkeepers.
Playing through contact: this has to come from how the game is called more than a specific rule change but it's frustrating that players who try to play through contact usually get no call while players who go down easily are rewarded. Think Robben in the last WC or surely an example from about every match played.
Goalkeeper Red Cards: It seems like too many matches I see where a GK fouls in sincere attempt to play the ball in an one on one and gets a red card where a PK/yellow would be sufficient punishment.
Away Goals: Instituted to discourage teams from bunkering on the away leg, seems that it can just as easily cause it on the home leg.
Flopping: I'm not sure about the 10 minute rule Glassman mentions. I agree that you'd see less Alves/Busquets type faking for a card. However, it's still more common that players are actually hit in the head or kicked hard as hell and that rule would punish the wrong team in those situations. (As a Roma fan, I watched the "kick a Totti tactic" employed way too much to think Lazio should be rewarded by having him off for 10 minutes after the 25th kick to the ankle.)
Not sure about other leagues, but Serie A has started suspending players for obvious dives (Krasic, for ex, had a lengthy one last season) and it's curtailed blatant dives in the area but flops are much harder to tell from video.
There's too many times when I think a player is totally faking from the replay but they end up getting a dozen stitches.
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