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re: Extremely Detailed Article on the Last 7 Years of US Soccer on the Ringer

Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:52 pm to
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 10:52 pm to
Great article. All of the quotes about tactics were so painfully obvious. I love to think about Wil Trapp finding out he's playing left mid while in the tunnel before the game.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20994 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:19 am to
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I love to think about Wil Trapp finding out he's playing left mid while in the tunnel before the game.


Who was the Bundesliga CDM he played at RM a few times? Morales?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:26 am to
Alfredo Morales.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21637 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:04 am to
Act 5: More Hope, but No Change...

this final act was the most depressing thing about the article. We’ve made no substantive changes. frick everyone involved.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:09 am to
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this final act was the most depressing thing about the article. We’ve made no substantive changes.

Except we kind of have.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38734 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:45 am to
Sounds like a totally dysfunctional family.

Including clueless parents (USMNT execs), irresponsible teenagers (coaches), and bratty children (players).

A Triumvirate of Dysfunction.

The article sure tries hard to pretend that the players were/are just innocent babes in the woods though.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 8:46 am
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21637 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:52 am to
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Except we kind of have.


substantive being the key word.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:53 am to
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substantive being the key word.


I didn't skip over that word.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:00 am to
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:07 am to
What? One of the biggest problems we've had was that one or two people had too much power and could do whatever they wanted. How is changing that not substantive? We no longer have one guy holding 2 full-time jobs. How is that not substantive? We've added a position that has oversight of the manager, players, and we'll being of the national team. How is that not substantive?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:19 am to
Earnie Stewart will be announced as USMNT GM this afternoon.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21637 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:28 am to
that seems like the bare minimum that could have been done, and it remains to be seen just how much influence that position will have in practice as opposed to in theory. That said, i'm not opposed to it, but given the grand scale of the massive failure, the addition of that position does very little to assuage my concerns.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 9:37 am to
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that seems like the bare minimum that could have been done

In less than a year?

Really in only ~4 months, since the new election was in February .

And a lot of that time has been dedicated to securing votes for the 2026 WC, which will be voted on very soon (Afghanistan just gave us their support this morning).
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 9:51 am
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20994 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:02 am to
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Earnie Stewart will be announced as USMNT GM this afternoon.



I like Earnie but like many I am worried about some of the limitations the GM position has
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15069 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:50 am to
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I like Earnie but like many I am worried about some of the limitations the GM position has
Limitations? I mean his job is to get fired when the next manager fails.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15069 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 10:51 am to
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The article sure tries hard to pretend that the players were/are just innocent babes in the woods though.
Author doesn't want to jeopardize his access to the cool kids or lose his street credibility.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:05 am to
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I mean his job is to get fired when the next manager fails.

Not really.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29549 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:09 am to
Sounds like a good fall guy if the next manager doesn’t work out.

What else is in the job description besides picking the manager?
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20994 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:19 am to
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What else is in the job description besides picking the manager?


Setting up a scouting network of sorts.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:20 am to
Building an integrated national team staff, managing the day-to-day environment of the senior team, monitoring the player pool, and integrating new players.

I assume that includes helping players find a good fit with their clubs, and being in contact with their clubs to monitor their development, etc.
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