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European soccer clubs historically aligned with socialists or right wing/fascist
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:17 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:17 am
This is something that has always interested me, the fact that some European soccer clubs are historically aligned with political parties and movements like Socialism or right wing/fascist. What are some of these clubs? I know there are a few in Germany, but I don't know which in particular. Anybody know more about this?
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:27 am to zelman
The most famous in Germany is FC St. Pauli in Hamburg. They're incredibly socialist. It's pretty funny that the most conservative person on this board TN Bhoy supports them.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 7:28 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:27 am to zelman
Napoli and Real Madrid with fascism
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:30 am to zelman
Lazio = Nazio
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:48 am to zelman
Read "How soccer explains the World" There are several chapters dedicated to this.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:10 am to zelman
In short, most European football clubs originated as turn of the century social clubs for sport. Clubs like Ajax, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc. contained or continue to maintain many different sports disciplines with membership open to locals.
As with any social club featuring citizens as members, an individual with a predilection for a political cause is more likely to join a club with likeminded individuals; hence Barcelona is traditionally the club of Catalan nationalists or the various Soviet-era teams formed by members of the police, locomotive union, army etc.
Now, compare this means of forming a sports team with the franchise system used by American leagues.
As with any social club featuring citizens as members, an individual with a predilection for a political cause is more likely to join a club with likeminded individuals; hence Barcelona is traditionally the club of Catalan nationalists or the various Soviet-era teams formed by members of the police, locomotive union, army etc.
Now, compare this means of forming a sports team with the franchise system used by American leagues.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:19 am to zelman
Alot of clubs are a direct reflection of its supporters
Its just something we will never have in American franchise sports.
Its just something we will never have in American franchise sports.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:36 am to hendersonshands
love St. Pauli 
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:47 am to Draconian Sanctions
frick St Pauli
their act was cool 10 years ago, its main stream now.
Most German fans could give two shits about them
their act was cool 10 years ago, its main stream now.
Most German fans could give two shits about them
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:49 am to StraightCashHomey21
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frick St Pauli
their act was cool 10 years ago, its main stream now.
You're the ultimate soccer hipster if a 2nd tier German club that was nearly relegated last season is "too mainstream" for you
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You're the ultimate soccer hipster if a 2nd tier German club that was nearly relegated last season is "too mainstream" for you
They are still mainstream with all the pub they get.
They are beyond the trendy shite now
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:55 am to StraightCashHomey21
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They are still mainstream with all the pub they get.
They are beyond the trendy shite now
In America they are still relatively unknown
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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In America they are still relatively unknown
which means nothing
most soccer fans in America know who they are.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:59 am to StraightCashHomey21
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most soccer fans in America know who they are.
I just don't think that's true. Most soccer fans in America don't know much outside of England and the top CL clubs.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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In America they are still relatively unknown
I honestly knew who they were, but had no clue about the details about it. I can probably associate that to literally never watching the Bundesliga, other than in the UCL though.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:32 am to McCaigBro69
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I honestly knew who they were, but had no clue about the details about it. I can probably associate that to literally never watching the Bundesliga, other than in the UCL though
Well, they're in the 2 bund, so that would explain that
I only knew about them because Joe Gyau did a loan spell there.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
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most soccer fans in America know who they are.
I would say that none of my friends know who they are.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:42 am to StraightCashHomey21
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most soccer fans in America know who they are.
I strongly disagree with that.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:52 am to StraightCashHomey21
I mean, it's not like they control the publicity they get. As long as they've stayed true to their ideals then you can't blame their fans for becoming "mainstream." Blame the idiots from outside the city who hop on the bandwagon to look cool, not the locals.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
St. Pauli and Lazio are the two I really associate with it. The images of Di Canio's fascist salute celebrations are the first thing that came to mind.
He is in Europe where there is far more weight put into lower divisions than we do here, and if I remember from over the years, his old lady is/was German. I'd imagine it's more like discussing the Sun Belt here when talking college football. If you love the game, chances are you'll know what's going on even if it's not the top-tier. Or maybe he is the ultimate soccer hipster. Who knows? Just throwing it out there.
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You're the ultimate soccer hipster if a 2nd tier German club that was nearly relegated last season is "too mainstream" for you
He is in Europe where there is far more weight put into lower divisions than we do here, and if I remember from over the years, his old lady is/was German. I'd imagine it's more like discussing the Sun Belt here when talking college football. If you love the game, chances are you'll know what's going on even if it's not the top-tier. Or maybe he is the ultimate soccer hipster. Who knows? Just throwing it out there.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 1:23 pm
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