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English FA is seeking tougher rules for work permits
Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:32 pm
Not sure how i feel about this.
FA Chairman Greg Dyke wants to lower the non home grown count in a 25 man squad from 17 down to 13 and also adjust the definition of home grown to where a player would need to be registered 3 years before he is 18.
Here is an excerpt on how the work permit rules would tighten.
The new work permit rules, which apply across the whole Football League, will see prospective non-EU players given points for various criteria including the agreed transfer fee and wages, international caps, and the level of league and club they are joining from.
The player must be an international from a country ranked in FIFA's top 50, rather than the top 70 as it is currently, and the number of caps required will be staggered depending on the country's status.
Players from countries ranked in the top 10 will have to have played in 30 percent of international matches over the past two years while that figure rises to 75 percent for countries ranked between 31 and 50.
There will also be leeway given to players under the age of 21, who are assumed to be less established at international level and therefore need only fulfil the caps criteria for the last 12 months.
The changes are aimed at ending clubs' reliance on a lenient appeals system that has granted approval to 79 percent of its applicants, and ensuring only the most talented non-EU players ply their trade in this country.
The FA calculate that 33 percent of players who gained entry under the old rules would have been turned down under the new system.
Thoughts?
FA Chairman Greg Dyke wants to lower the non home grown count in a 25 man squad from 17 down to 13 and also adjust the definition of home grown to where a player would need to be registered 3 years before he is 18.
Here is an excerpt on how the work permit rules would tighten.
The new work permit rules, which apply across the whole Football League, will see prospective non-EU players given points for various criteria including the agreed transfer fee and wages, international caps, and the level of league and club they are joining from.
The player must be an international from a country ranked in FIFA's top 50, rather than the top 70 as it is currently, and the number of caps required will be staggered depending on the country's status.
Players from countries ranked in the top 10 will have to have played in 30 percent of international matches over the past two years while that figure rises to 75 percent for countries ranked between 31 and 50.
There will also be leeway given to players under the age of 21, who are assumed to be less established at international level and therefore need only fulfil the caps criteria for the last 12 months.
The changes are aimed at ending clubs' reliance on a lenient appeals system that has granted approval to 79 percent of its applicants, and ensuring only the most talented non-EU players ply their trade in this country.
The FA calculate that 33 percent of players who gained entry under the old rules would have been turned down under the new system.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:43 pm to McCaigBro69
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Thoughts?
MLS frick the world!
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:10 pm to McCaigBro69
The English are myopic counts who have no idea who to use incentives to develop English players, or the game itself in their own country.
This will:
- Prevent many quality players from coming to the league
- Lower the level of competition for English players
- Lower the standard necessary to be an English player in the league
- Have a detrimental effect on the English national team
- Lower the overall standard of the PL
- Cause many players to seek out the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue Un as an alternative to playing in the PL
It's the greatest form of self sabotage I've ever seen.
This will:
- Prevent many quality players from coming to the league
- Lower the level of competition for English players
- Lower the standard necessary to be an English player in the league
- Have a detrimental effect on the English national team
- Lower the overall standard of the PL
- Cause many players to seek out the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue Un as an alternative to playing in the PL
It's the greatest form of self sabotage I've ever seen.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:13 pm to cwil177
I heard them taking about this on talksport and they said that only 8 current players would have been denied entry under this new rule. I don't know how they know that but if that's true then it doesn't sound like this will have as dramatic of an effect as it looks at first glance.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well the FA said 33% and they are the ones making the decisions. So.....
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:18 pm to cwil177
Yeah they said 33% too but then followed up that there were only 24 players actually in question. Hence the 8.
I don't know anything about it, just reporting on what they said on the radio. I think they said something like a lot of the Brazilians are exempt because they can get Portuguese passports very easily and that EU citizens are exempt from this. It was a little over my head in terms of the nuance so I'm not certain but that was the gist of it.
I don't know anything about it, just reporting on what they said on the radio. I think they said something like a lot of the Brazilians are exempt because they can get Portuguese passports very easily and that EU citizens are exempt from this. It was a little over my head in terms of the nuance so I'm not certain but that was the gist of it.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/24/15 at 12:16 am to cwil177
Basically another form of protectionism, which has never worked in real life.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 12:45 am to RollTide4Ever
Yeah there's a really good section on this in soccernomics where it explains that the reason England fell behind the rest of Europe was bc they were too isolated and myopic. This will only make that worse
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:32 am to cwil177
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This will:
- Prevent many quality players from coming to the league
- Lower the level of competition for English players
- Lower the standard necessary to be an English player in the league
- Have a detrimental effect on the English national team
- Lower the overall standard of the PL
- Cause many players to seek out the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue Un as an alternative to playing in the PL
but they think it will do the exact opposite
this new tv deal is about to give the premier league balls of steal
i get what they are doing to force english youth development and stop clubs from just buying the best 16 year olds from around the world and claim them as youth products.
I think sure strict rules for work permits for EPL teams is fine. But they should make them much easier to get for lower league teams. Lets the football league clubs get more international players to raise the level of quality. If an English player is good enough in the lower league he will make it to the top two levels anyway. So why not try and raise the level of play under the EPL.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:17 am to Draconian Sanctions
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EU citizens are exempt from this
Which is why the rule makes little sense at its core IMO
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:26 am to etm512
They're afraid American players are going to start coming in and running shite.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:28 am to etm512
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Which is why the rule makes little sense at its core IMO
yea bc anyone in the EU can work and live where they want.
But this does hurt the chances of players from the Americas and Africa.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:50 am to StraightCashHomey21
The Premier League continues to weaken its talent even while record profits roll in.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 7:52 am to hendersonshands
this isn't the right way to make young english players better
but o well
but o well
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
Why are the English so dumb? It's hilarious. Engvol? Anyone?
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
With all of the money the FA has, I don't understand why they don't just find a way to rip off the Germans, Italians and Dutch. I guess it's a pride thing but there's really no reason England couldn't stage it's own football renaissance.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:13 am to hendersonshands
It's the English superiority complex. Why look at other programs for guidance when you can do it "the English way?"
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:15 am to cwil177
Stuck in their ways
They youth development is so bad on the overall scope. There is no uniformity at all b/w the clubs. That in the influx of non english players bought at like 16 makes it worse being. Clubs going around europe buying the best 14-7 years olds like City does isn't good. So i can see part of their home grown argument.
Outside of a few Academies, United, Arsenal, West Ham, Southampton and now Chelsea showing up. They are all sub standard in the players they produce.
Another issue is the lack of ambition English players have to go abroad at a young age 18-22, or even in their prime years.
You also never see English kids in academies abroad. Yet Germany, Spain, Dutch, Italy etc all have their kids learning their trade abroad and at home.
Keeping your players stuck on this island leads to the same shite mentality of how to play.
They youth development is so bad on the overall scope. There is no uniformity at all b/w the clubs. That in the influx of non english players bought at like 16 makes it worse being. Clubs going around europe buying the best 14-7 years olds like City does isn't good. So i can see part of their home grown argument.
Outside of a few Academies, United, Arsenal, West Ham, Southampton and now Chelsea showing up. They are all sub standard in the players they produce.
Another issue is the lack of ambition English players have to go abroad at a young age 18-22, or even in their prime years.
You also never see English kids in academies abroad. Yet Germany, Spain, Dutch, Italy etc all have their kids learning their trade abroad and at home.
Keeping your players stuck on this island leads to the same shite mentality of how to play.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:18 am
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:16 am to hendersonshands
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With all of the money the FA has, I don't understand why they don't just find a way to rip off the Germans, Italians and Dutch. I guess it's a pride thing but there's really no reason England couldn't stage it's own football renaissance.
They just build this bad arse FA campus so i guess thats a start.
You now even see the Scots saying f this keeping our players in the UK shite.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 10:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
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MANCHESTER CITY – At least six changes needed
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TOTTENHAM – At least four changes needed
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ARSENAL – At least four changes needed
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CHELSEA – At least three changes needed
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NEWCASTLE – At least three changes needed
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