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re: Donovan will not be invited to qualifier camp
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:58 pm to WarSlamEagle
Posted on 5/14/13 at 3:58 pm to WarSlamEagle
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My point is Donovan is playing like a chump. If Klinsmann calls up a guy who isn't playing better than LD in whatever league he's from, then it would be a waste.
Is Holden playing better than Donovan? Is Brek Shea?
I know we'll see one, and I guess we'll see both.
The reasoning doesn't hold water. It's Jurgen wanting to prove that no one is *that* important to the team (except the coach, naturally.) He's done with every player that has had a high profile. He's gone out of his way to knock them down a notch.
And it's a win/win for Jurgen. Win without him, you proved you don't need him. Leave him out and lose, you can blame his form for *forcing* you to leave him out.
More capable coaches will find a way to integrate a struggling star and still win with him. *cough*FernandoTorres*cough*
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:05 pm to Sheep
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Is Holden playing better than Donovan? Is Brek Shea?
Does Holden play the same position as Donovan? Nope. (And, even though Holden may get into this camp, I think he'll be at the Gold Cup...hopefully with Donovan.)
Brek Shea is not playing at all, so I guess Donovan is playing "better".
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The reasoning doesn't hold water.
Not picking guys based on form? That doesn't hold water?
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It's Jurgen wanting to prove that no one is *that* important to the team (except the coach, naturally.) He's done with every player that has had a high profile. He's gone out of his way to knock them down a notch.
It may be, but do you know for sure that's what he's doing?
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:22 pm to uway
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The Landon Donovan of right now is nowhere near the Landon Donovan of the past, the player everyone is screaming for right now
No one is screaming for LD circa 2010. We are screaming for someone who has always played well for the Nats and is our best ever player, and who even off the bench provides better depth than pretty much all of our other options. He can backup Zusi for all I care. But he deserves a bench spot over others who will undoubtedly be called in.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:24 pm to WarSlamEagle
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WarSlamEagle
There are some guys who are going to be called up that shouldn't be called up. It happens every call up. Alfred Morales? I mean come on.
I understand the "in form" argument. I'd almost agree. However, we are talking about the MLS. Most MLS players, IMO, are inconsistent. Especially, on the international level. Many of the older MLS players are nothing more than role players for the USMNT. There are some exceptions, but not many.
I'm not even saying that he should be chosen over the majority of the roster. I just think when we are talking about World Cup Qualifying. I'd take him in my 20+ member camp.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:30 pm to UASports23
Regardless of why/should he have been called up... I hope it makes him all the more hungrier to play in the WCQ's post summer, and he comes out like a mad dog
Posted on 5/14/13 at 4:46 pm to 225bred
Maybe we will see. Landon never comes out as a mad dog. Landon is just Landon. There is no way to describe it. 
However, I really hope and can't see Holden on this WC Qual roster. I'd be disappointed, if he is.
At this point, in terms of playing, Holden isn't anything Donovan isn't. If Donovan is left off. So should Holden. Especially when Donovan plays a position in need and Holden does not.
Bradley, Jones, Holden, Beckerman, Edu. 2 of these won't make it.
However, I really hope and can't see Holden on this WC Qual roster. I'd be disappointed, if he is.
At this point, in terms of playing, Holden isn't anything Donovan isn't. If Donovan is left off. So should Holden. Especially when Donovan plays a position in need and Holden does not.
Bradley, Jones, Holden, Beckerman, Edu. 2 of these won't make it.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:10 pm to UASports23
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Maybe we will see. Landon never comes out as a mad dog. Landon is just Landon. There is no way to describe it.
true, Landon is Landon. I meant it more in a blazing performance kind of way. quote:I agree with all of this, and haven't said otherwise, I would however like to see them both on the Gold Cup roster along with Bocanegra, and Beckerman, as the vets and see them just run shite. The younger guys need the guidance anyway, did you see that shite show they put on the field vs Canada a few months ago in that friendly?
However, I really hope and can't see Holden on this WC Qual roster. I'd be disappointed, if he is.
At this point, in terms of playing, Holden isn't anything Donovan isn't. If Donovan is left off. So should Holden. Especially when Donovan plays a position in need and Holden does not
Gold Cup midfield pairing of Stu and Feilhaber? Fap material both on and off the field.
quote:I think you meant:
Bradley, Jones, Holden, Beckerman, Edu. 2 of these won't make it.
Jones, Holden, Beckerman, Edu. 1 of these won't make it.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:34 pm to 225bred
he definitely needs to be on the Gold Cup roster.
I hope our lineup looks something like this
also hope we put Gatt & Gyau on the roster and put them in together due to their speed.
I hope our lineup looks something like this
also hope we put Gatt & Gyau on the roster and put them in together due to their speed.
This post was edited on 5/14/13 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:37 pm to 225bred
I was just grouping our holding mids.
Bradley and Jones will be on the roster, for sure.
Bradley and Jones will be on the roster, for sure.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 5:56 pm to fightingtigers98
Did you mean to put an empty field?
Posted on 5/14/13 at 6:20 pm to Wait For It...
quote:no, i got it fixed
Did you mean to put an empty field?
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:03 pm to 225bred
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JK knows LD will be starting in Brazil come 2014, no doubt
No doubt? There is some doubt that any Americans will be playing in Brazil.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:18 pm to uway
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No doubt? There is some doubt that any Americans will be playing in Brazil.
If uway and I are agreeing on shite, you know something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 8:51 pm to Sheep
It looks about all the points have been covered. I sit firmly in Camp Sheep on this one.
This is a 23 man roster. Landon needs to be on it if he wants to. Despite being way out of form, he still has the potential to be as impactful as anyone. Clint and Bradley are the two others who can even remotely do what Landon did against Scotland. Even his form is a far cry from then, this dude deserves a spot on a 23 man roster.
I would love for every Brad Evans or the notorious Alan Gordan (fringe USMNT player or even worse) to get at least one shot in the Stars and Stripes, but not at the expense of our potentially most dynamic player with a World Cup bid on the line.
This is a 23 man roster. Landon needs to be on it if he wants to. Despite being way out of form, he still has the potential to be as impactful as anyone. Clint and Bradley are the two others who can even remotely do what Landon did against Scotland. Even his form is a far cry from then, this dude deserves a spot on a 23 man roster.
I would love for every Brad Evans or the notorious Alan Gordan (fringe USMNT player or even worse) to get at least one shot in the Stars and Stripes, but not at the expense of our potentially most dynamic player with a World Cup bid on the line.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 9:25 pm to uway
quote:Assuming we do qualify. You know what I meant, don't be a jackass. If we don't qualify for the WC we have much bigger fish to fry than whether an out of form and rusty LD should be called up or not.
No doubt? There is some doubt that any Americans will be playing in Brazil.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:58 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 5/15/13 at 1:09 am to TheIrishFro
I would bet that Landon's coach had something to do with this, and spoke to JK. LD is not yet back to prime time, and why sit him on the bench.
LD did not seem to want to play for JK when JK took over. When was the first (and only?) time he was on the pitch with Demps?
JK wants to see some fire.
LD did not seem to want to play for JK when JK took over. When was the first (and only?) time he was on the pitch with Demps?
JK wants to see some fire.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:56 am to 225bred
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Boca has been getting serious PT lately and appears to be in pretty good form and is fit.. whats the odds he gets called back into camp? even if its for a backup role
Just my opinion, but unless the Carlos in real life is different than he appears to be, he needs to be on the roster to provide leadership and help to the young guys that are starting. And perhaps he can even start a game against one of the less athletic teams we face.
Back to Landon -
If there is no shot of him playing due to his form, I would rather he be left off. However, due to our depth at wing, I have a hard time thinking that there is no shot of him playing. We're a Zusi injury away from starting....who? Danny Williams again?
I've only watched a couple of recent LAG games, but he is a shell of his former self right now. Confidence and aggresiveness are low. Even his PKs (normally something he's oustanding at) aren't good. I don't think you get that back by being throwing in the fire and having expectations heaped upon you - especially given Landycakes shaky mental state. For some players that may work, but not Donovan.
Its a risk, but I have to think Jurgy is looking at it as - I can't play this guy no matter what as he's no good right now. If I leave him off, maybe it will help light a fire under him?
We should be able to get through these games without Donovan. But in qualifying one slip up could put us on the edge.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 2:38 pm to 225bred
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Assuming we do qualify. You know what I meant, don't be a jackass. If we don't qualify for the WC we have much bigger fish to fry than whether an out of form and rusty LD should be called up or not.
The point obviously was that some of us believe Landon's participation in qualifiers has some bearing on whether we qualify.
I'm not thrilled with Landon for missing the previous qualifiers by choice, but this isn't the time for petulance.
If it were possible, I would welcome Rossi himself on this team if it meant the difference in qualifying. Yes I said it.
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