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re: Donovan: Does he have a point or sour grapes?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:42 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Can Boyd really not play with his back toward goal?
I think he could, but Klinsmann must not have felt the same. It's really about his mindset. Not all strikers are willing to take a backseat and play point man.
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:48 pm to RB10
I'd be really surprised if Boyd doesn't play with his back toward goal for his club. For better or worst, strikers of he and Jozy's size are often shoe-horned into that role though they may feel comfortable elsewhere.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:50 pm to crazy4lsu
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strikers of he and Jozy's size are often shoe-horned into that role though they may feel comfortable elsewhere.
Ballotelli hasn't been. That's a poor example though because a player with Ballotelli's combo of athleticism and skill are very, very rare.
ETA: Drogba too. If Boyd has the ability he won't be forced into that role.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:56 pm to tduecen
Landon Donovan has always spoke his mind. That won't change.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:04 pm to RB10
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Ballotelli hasn't been.
He can easily play the target role. He's a much more dynamic player though. He's played it for AC Milan plenty of times. In 2013 Boateng and El Shaarawy played underneath him at times and relied on his ability to hold the ball to make runs off of him.
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ETA: Drogba too.
Drogba was the definition of a target striker. He didn't develop as a goalscorer until he was 25. He also wasn't extremely prolific as a goalscorer. He did plenty of the work of a target man.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:06 pm to crazy4lsu
A better example might be Thierry Henry, a tall, lanky striker who was basically a complete striker in every sense of the word. But when he was asked to play as a lone striker in 2005, he was able to. He even played as the lynchpin forward player for Barca occasionally.
In my mind, it beggars belief that we do not have a target forward in our pool.
In my mind, it beggars belief that we do not have a target forward in our pool.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:06 pm to crazy4lsu
I know Drogba played point but he was also skilled enough to face up and take players on. I don't think Jozy is all that great when facing players up. Balotelli is just a completely different animal and his ego will never allow him to truly be a point. He needs the glory of scoring goals too bad.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:10 pm to RB10
Balotelli can and does play the target role when he wants to. I'm having a hard time thinking of a big striker who doesn't play as a target man, or rather, can't play as a target striker.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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Balotelli can and does play the target role when he wants to
This is my point. Ballotelli does it when he wants to and Drogba was skilled enough to play the off striker if he wanted to. Jozy, IMO, is only capable of playing a true point.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:19 pm to RB10
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Drogba was skilled enough to play the off striker if he wanted to
It was super rare for him to play with a partner. Can only remember a couple of instances.
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Jozy, IMO, is only capable of playing a true point.
Yes, he's quite clearly our Emile Heskey, but it boggles the mind that we have no one else in our pool who can play with their back toward goal. Hopefully a back up option develops.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yes, he's quite clearly our Emile Heskey, but it boggles the mind that we have no one else in our pool who can play with their back toward goal. Hopefully a back up option develops.
Like I said before, it's not something all strikers can mentally do. Maybe no other player in the pool was willing to do it. It doesn't mean there wasn't another player physically capable of doing it.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:27 pm to tduecen
Call it sour grapes all you want, but Landon Donvoan should have been kicking a volley from 6 yards away and not fricking Wondo. I'm sure he is bitter, but USA fans should be bitter he wasn't there. Jozy went down and we had NOTHING behind him. We desperately needed him for these games
And yes, I went there for the millionth time, but ppl are quick to point out how bitter he is...but the dude has a point and could have been used
And yes, I went there for the millionth time, but ppl are quick to point out how bitter he is...but the dude has a point and could have been used
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:21 am to tduecen
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This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 2:20 am
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:24 am to tduecen
Why are they mutually exclusive?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 12:53 am to tduecen
it's not really that he has to have a point or have sour grapes. he is allowed to have an opinion. i think he voices it respectively here. he even adds the concession to his point in the part about hindsight and getting counterattacked. there is nothing wrong with what he said.
i don't disagree with him, but i dont disagree with having dempsey as the lone striker either. i supported that in multiple threads. jurgen made a lot of great decisions and some not so great ones. that's fine. that's what managers do.
i don't disagree with him, but i dont disagree with having dempsey as the lone striker either. i supported that in multiple threads. jurgen made a lot of great decisions and some not so great ones. that's fine. that's what managers do.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 5:58 am to rockchlkjayhku11
Folks act like Klinsman got us to the semis and are dick riding hard. He should've taken Donovan, that's the end of the story. To rely so heavily on Jozy then to not bring in our best pure scorer is, well, stupid. So what, we escaped "the group of death". Portugal was garbage and Ghana didn't give two fricks. We've been here before and have even went further. Jurgen still has a lot to prove in my view.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:08 am to tduecen
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Does he have a point or sour grapes?
Why not both?
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Donovan was quick to acknowledge, however, that “everybody’s an expert when they’re watching at home.”
Pretty much sums it up.
In a world where EVERY athlete just speaks in platitudes "we're going to give it 110%" "we're taking this game by game", I appreciate his willingness to be honest, probably even at his own detriment.
I would have also appreciated his counterattacking and set piece ability, two things sorely lacking in Brazil.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 6:40 am to Sheep
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I would have also appreciated his counterattacking and set piece ability, two things sorely lacking in Brazil.
Fact: Donovan would have been better at this than Zusi.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:20 am to cwil177
I wonder what would have happened if Klinsman had brought Donovan in only to use a a sub or to put in if Altidore went down?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 7:43 am to Billy Mays
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Donovan is a great American. I LOL at anyone bashing Cakes - he has handled this very well.
Handling it well would be not criticizing the coach and making everything about himself. Maybe saying "no comment" when a reporter invites you to bash the tactics.
LD is manifestly and deeply self-centered. He's a 32 year old who seems only to have learned the art of sounding wise to 22 year olds.
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