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re: Deutschland v. Italia | 1:45 ESPN | Warsaw, Poland
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:21 pm to rdw1690
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:21 pm to rdw1690
That dude is full of stupid points, he's probably stuck on his "the german squad is full of players that aren't even from germany" argument. Even the ones that were born in germany to foreign mothers don't count to him.
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Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:23 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
We'll agree to disagree on who controlled more of the game. I don't have the heart to go into a full blown debate.
Randy... Thiago Motta
Randy... Thiago Motta
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:25 pm to hendersonshands
I felt the first half was actually every open, and evenly matched. Balotelli really caught the Germans with their pants down. One mistake, and suddenly its 0-2. But even up till half I thought Germany played well enough.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:26 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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"the german squad is full of players that aren't even from germany"
He must not be a fan of the USMNT which makes him the most un-American fun ever. Please explain yourself, Macho Man.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:27 pm to hendersonshands
It's absurd that Thiago Motta is playing for Italy right now after coming up in the Brazilian youth system.
However, there is no doubt about who the better team was today it could have easily been 4-5 to 0.
However, there is no doubt about who the better team was today it could have easily been 4-5 to 0.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:29 pm to RandySavage
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it could have easily been 4-5 to 0
Yeah, it really started to get a little ridiculous there near the end! I guess that tends to happen when a team is in desperation mode trying to get back in it.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:30 pm to Meursault
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I guess that tends to happen when a team is in desperation mode trying to get back in it.
Well the reason they were in desperation mode is because they were down 2-0 to a team that had been better than them.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:30 pm to RandySavage
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However, there is no doubt about who the better team was today it could have easily been 4-5 to 0.
Could have been 2-0 Germany within like 15 minutes too. I've learned that your opinions are mostly asanine.
Also for Italy, Mario Balotelli...
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:31 pm to thenry712
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I'm not to familiar with the Italian player pool, but he's basically irreplaceable in his creative role at this point in time.
Marco Verratti is the probable replacement. But no one will replace Pirlo. Oddly enough, the teams with the best DLP's have won the last three major tournaments. This tourney will feature two of the best.
Also, I sort of called this. LINK
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:32 pm to Meursault
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There is something to be said for catennacio strategy. Its not the same as parking the bus.
The big difference is Italy has the ability to score when they choose to do so.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:32 pm to RandySavage
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It's absurd that Thiago Motta is playing for Italy right now after coming up in the Brazilian youth system.
Not really...
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:33 pm to RandySavage
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Well the reason they were in desperation mode is because they were down 2-0 to a team that had been better than them.
Better at what? Finishing? Well I agree, at least today. But I believe this is more of an example of Italy's catennacio philosophy once again proving its worth against the German style. See my post on pg18 about Italy vs Germany historically.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:33 pm to hendersonshands
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Could have been 2-0 Germany within like 15 minutes too.
This. It's hard to talk about what scores should have been because usually both teams have chances anyway so the missed opportunities cancel each other out.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:34 pm to crazy4lsu
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Not really...
Born in Brazil, Brazilian parents, played in Brazil's youth teams but somehow all the sudden he's on the Italian national team? It makes no sense.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:35 pm to hendersonshands
I didn't watch the first half, but you have to admit that Italy's midfield kind of bossed the second half, but more importantly they were true to their roots and were immaculate in defensive organization.
The help and cover the defenders provided was awesome. Some clutch last man tackles.
The help and cover the defenders provided was awesome. Some clutch last man tackles.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:36 pm to Meursault
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Better at what?
The two most important things in soccer, defending and finishing. The better team won.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:38 pm to ATLienTiger
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Some clutch last man tackles
The backline was outstanding today. Their timing was impeccable. Buffon was pretty fricking good too.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:38 pm to thenry712
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The gap between talented youth players in both national player pools is fairly significant, favoring Germany. The gap in the Starting XI's today skews slightly less in favor of the Germans who played poorly today.
Didn't Germany play "poorly" somewhat because Italy had just as much quality on the pitch in the midfield and more in defense?
I do agree about the young German talent but most of it seems to be an extreme surplus of attacking talent and so a bit redundant in considering the NT.
Isn't it mainly the Oezil, Rues, Gotze, Shurrle, Mueller?trequartista/attacking winger group where most of their talent lies?
Otherwise, I'm not sure I'd take Germany's young defenders over younger Italian talent that's already on the NT like Bonucci, Ogbonna etc .. . Not sure I'd take their younger fullbacks either. . .
Do they have any more depth behind Schweinsteiger than Italy behind De Rossi that can do what those two can? Italy has a lot of young players in that mold like Viviani but none that are "there" yet; not sure Germany does either though?
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Pirlo, Italy's overwhelmingly best player.
I've been hassled for 3 years on this board by including Pirlo in all the "Top 5" player lists.
However, if Pirlo's singlehandedly leading Italy to the Euro finals without a lot of quality around him then maybe he is the best player in the world by some margin. Messi nor Ronaldo have done that when not on stacked club teams.
Verratti will be the player that's tapped to replace Pirlo but since he's Italian and not German you don't hear much about him and, rightly so, since he's young and has proven nothing so far aside from cool youtube highlight videos.
Germany should have twice the depth of Italy since they're twice as populated. That's always been the case and always will be. Historically, though, Italy can put a fairly evenly matched 11 on the pitch with them and that's what matters.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:40 pm to RandySavage
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defending and finishing
Well Italy is absolutely better at defending. German's weakness seems to have always been that they let in goals. In a strength vs strength match, which was what this was, Italy's strength was better.
This post was edited on 6/28/12 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/28/12 at 4:40 pm to RandySavage
No, his grandparents are Italian, which gives him EU status, which is the reason he was able to move to Barca as a 17 year old. There are plenty of Italians capped and about to be capped who don't have jus soli. On this team alone there is Balotelli, Ogbonna, and Motta. It doesn't make them any less able to represent Italy. It is simply a reflection of the fluid nature of citizenship and the globalized world we live in.
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