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Can Someone Explain "Offsides" to Me?
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:29 pm
I have boys that play soccer and I watch them play and cheer for them, but I am pretty ignorant of the sport overall. I understand that an "offsides" penalty happens when a player breaks ahead of the player with the ball into the box. Is that right?
What is the basis of this rule? It seems that breakaways should be rewarded instead of telling players they have to hold up and wait. When I asked someone about it, they said that breakaways were not fair. Is the idea that you don't want to have too many in the box to overwhelm the goalie? I guess that the equivalent is having a receiver in football just stand in the end zone when the ball is snapped so he doesn't have to run down there.
Soccer would be more exicitng and more high scoring without this rule, I think. But, I guess it would fundamentally change the game beyond recognition. So, am I right on the reasoning, or is there something I am missing?
Signed,
Soccer Idiot
What is the basis of this rule? It seems that breakaways should be rewarded instead of telling players they have to hold up and wait. When I asked someone about it, they said that breakaways were not fair. Is the idea that you don't want to have too many in the box to overwhelm the goalie? I guess that the equivalent is having a receiver in football just stand in the end zone when the ball is snapped so he doesn't have to run down there.
Soccer would be more exicitng and more high scoring without this rule, I think. But, I guess it would fundamentally change the game beyond recognition. So, am I right on the reasoning, or is there something I am missing?
Signed,
Soccer Idiot
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:37 pm to AlaTiger
Basic Rule - A player can't be behind the second to last defender prior to the pass being made. Most of the time, that is the last outfield player with the goalkeeper technically being the last defender, but if a defender happens to be behind the goalkeeper, an attacker can technically be offsides by being past the keeper prior to the pass.
The purpose is mostly to prevent basket hanging, like you said. If there was no offside rule, the game would essentially just be long ball. Also, it gives defenders a fighting chance with such a large field.
As far as making more scoring, I doubt it really would due to the long ball reaction. It would probably lessen scoring.
The offside rule also makes timing so much more important. I think removing the rule would be catastrophic.
The purpose is mostly to prevent basket hanging, like you said. If there was no offside rule, the game would essentially just be long ball. Also, it gives defenders a fighting chance with such a large field.
As far as making more scoring, I doubt it really would due to the long ball reaction. It would probably lessen scoring.
The offside rule also makes timing so much more important. I think removing the rule would be catastrophic.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:38 pm to AlaTiger
You cannot pass the ball to a teammate that is positioned after the last opposing team's defender. You teammate has to be even with or onside of the last defender until after you make contact to pass.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:39 pm to AlaTiger
quote:It would be horrible.
Soccer would be more exicitng and more high scoring without this rule, I think. But, I guess it would fundamentally change the game beyond recognition.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 1:44 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:05 pm to AlaTiger
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Soccer would be more exicitng and more high scoring without this rule, I think.
I don't think cherry-picking is really exciting, and I'm not in the party that thinks we need to rewrite the game to get more scoring.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:06 pm to WarSlamEagle
Sure get rid of the offsides rule for american football too. It'll make the game much more fun!
Same concept. Can't be behind the line of scrimmage.
Same concept. Can't be behind the line of scrimmage.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:18 pm to DestrehanTiger
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As far as making more scoring, I doubt it really would due to the long ball reaction. It would probably lessen scoring.
I don't know. It would allow attackers to stretch defenses out however they saw fit. It would suck to watch, though, especially considering the size of the field.
@OP: Though mentioned, but not explicitly covered, it is offside, not offsides like football.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 2:26 pm to UASports23
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Sure get rid of the offsides rule for american football too. It'll make the game much more fun!
Damn, beat me to it.
Hockey has almost the same rule except it is the two blue lines instead of the halfway line.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:01 pm to AlaTiger
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Soccer would be more exicitng and more high scoring without this rule, I think.
Ever seen a game of full-court basketball with a bunch of fat out of shaped guys that refuse to get back on defense and cherry picking the basket?
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:12 pm to Anfield Road
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Ever seen a game of full-court basketball with a bunch of fat out of shaped guys that refuse to get back on defense and cherry picking the basket?
Yes, it's called NBA...sans the out of shape part.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:13 pm to AlaTiger
Understanding offsides and how it affects player movement on both offense and defense opens up a whole new world of game watching IMHO. As your sons get older and their knowledge of the game progresses, along with yours, the "rule" is one that is an essential part of the beautiful game.
to you for making an effot to understand the game by the way!
to you for making an effot to understand the game by the way!
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:20 pm to Pinetar
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:39 pm to DFWAggie09
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Understanding offsides and how it affects player movement on both offense and defense opens up a whole new world of game watching IMHO.
Good post and I completely agree. One thing that may benefit attack a bit would perhaps be simply how officials interpret the offside call.
A lot of officials are prone to give the "doubt" of close calls to the defense and more often will call back perfectly timed runs/passes than miss a blatant offside.
But again, as you point out, people new to soccer can easily overlook how integral offside is to the complete strategy a team employs.
For example, if you begin to give the attack an advantage considerably more often with offside calls, you probably see less teams using high defensive lines which runs counter to the "open" game you had intended to encourage.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:53 pm to wm72
I think American football would be better if you put all the receivers in the end zone on every play.
Then you could watch the QBs throw Hail Marys until someone catches it.
Or there's a commercial break.
Then you could watch the QBs throw Hail Marys until someone catches it.
Or there's a commercial break.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:55 pm to AlaTiger
I had countless refs in youth soccer who didn't know that you couldn't be in your own half and get called offside.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 3:57 pm to Joe Blow
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Yes, it's called NBA...sans the out of shape part.
bull fricking shite
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:05 pm to Sheep
I've always thought of the ruling more as it relates to strategy and tactics. Entire formations and in-game strategies have been created to take advantage of the rule on both sides of the ball.
Comparing that to gridiron football, you'll always have rules in place regarding the number of players that can be on the LOS pre-snap. Because of that, entire offensive and defensive schemes have been created and adapted to an essential rule of the game that will never go away.
Comparing that to gridiron football, you'll always have rules in place regarding the number of players that can be on the LOS pre-snap. Because of that, entire offensive and defensive schemes have been created and adapted to an essential rule of the game that will never go away.
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:26 pm to Pinetar
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the only acceptable explanation
Posted on 5/29/13 at 4:34 pm to TheWalrus
it's a constant source of consternation, and I've had more AR's screw-up on this than anything, and at all levels.
Had one AR in a high school game ask me why I waived him off. I told him it was because the defender had played the ball backwards and it went to the attacker who was in an offside position. He still looked confused. So I had to give him a half-time refresher on the rules. I think he genuinely did not know that the ball had to be played by a teammate in order for the attacker to be offside.
got burned on another one when the AR threw up his flag in a men's league game where goal kick crossed midfield and reached a striker (can't be offside from a goal kick).
Every couple of years, I get a youth parent/coach who wants to set all of his defenders at the top of the penalty area on a corner kick and then yell that any attacker inside the box is offside when the kick is taken.
Had one AR in a high school game ask me why I waived him off. I told him it was because the defender had played the ball backwards and it went to the attacker who was in an offside position. He still looked confused. So I had to give him a half-time refresher on the rules. I think he genuinely did not know that the ball had to be played by a teammate in order for the attacker to be offside.
got burned on another one when the AR threw up his flag in a men's league game where goal kick crossed midfield and reached a striker (can't be offside from a goal kick).
Every couple of years, I get a youth parent/coach who wants to set all of his defenders at the top of the penalty area on a corner kick and then yell that any attacker inside the box is offside when the kick is taken.
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