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re: Arsenal's "Things Are Gonna Change, I Can Feel It! (lol, nope)" Summer Thread
Posted on 6/28/11 at 9:45 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 6/28/11 at 9:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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They'd have to a wage cut to play at the level they should, and most mid-level teams aren't going to pay 50k a week for Denilson. Bendnter is a little different because he's a striker, but he isn't as good as he thinks he is. I'd be surprised if any CL team in a top league would want either.
True. I just thought Bendtner at least would have some interest. I feel we aren't going to be able to buy much without selling a few guys. I guess since Cesc seems to be on the move, that might not be too big of a problem.
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Posted on 6/28/11 at 9:48 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Both should just return to their homelands and try to restart their careers. Both lack the necessary athleticism to play for Arsenal. In a slower league they would probably be one of the best players.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 9:54 pm to crazy4lsu
Also at what point do we start a new thread? When pre-season begins? When the Emirates Cup begins?
Posted on 6/28/11 at 10:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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Also at what point do we start a new thread?
Good question. Arsenal players report for preseason on July 6th...
Whatever happens, we need to have a hell of a going out/anchoring party for this thread. It is the greatest (if great=long) thread in the long, storied history of the SB.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 10:14 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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It is the greatest (if great=long) thread in the long, storied history of the SB.
For the best club in the world.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 10:17 pm to glassman
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For the best club in the world.
5 more posts for me to 2000. I need to think of something good to say by then. I should at least have one good post if I get to 2000.
Posted on 6/29/11 at 3:12 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Never seen it, but as I trust your taste I just put it on my queue
Just have some Prozac ready when the movie ends.
Also, thought this page was interesting. It shows a justification for our colors and design for our away kit.
pretty funny comic about our transfer situation
This post was edited on 6/29/11 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:04 pm to Leauxgan
I'm bored at work so let me throw out a hypothetical: Cesc, Nasri, and Clichy are all sold. We receive about 60mil in compensation for them. (This is all really unrealistic, I know. This would never happen in real life...) Let's also just say that you have 15mil on top of the 60 from the transfer budget.
A. Who are the top 3-5 players you would sign with that cash? (Realistic transfers sums, of course.)
B. Predict the players Wenger will actually sign with the cash. Whoever's closest on this question at the end of the transfer window will win a prize...of some sorts. Actually there is no prize. Like I said, I'm just bored.
Edit: forgot to say that in this hypo, Gervinho is already at Arsenal.
A. Who are the top 3-5 players you would sign with that cash? (Realistic transfers sums, of course.)
B. Predict the players Wenger will actually sign with the cash. Whoever's closest on this question at the end of the transfer window will win a prize...of some sorts. Actually there is no prize. Like I said, I'm just bored.
Edit: forgot to say that in this hypo, Gervinho is already at Arsenal.
This post was edited on 6/30/11 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/30/11 at 12:08 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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A. Who are the top 3-5 players you would sign with that cash?
If I were y'all: Lloris, Gourcuff, someone else
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B. Predict the players Wenger will actually sign with the cash
A bunch of kids. And a couple decent Ligue 1 players.
This post was edited on 6/30/11 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:33 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Who are the top 3-5 players you would sign with that cash?
Juan Mata
Sakho
..and a central play maker, but I can't recall very many guys off the top of my head that are realistic
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Predict the players Wenger will actually sign with the cash.
The most realistic seems to be Juan Mata. He fits with the "buying for the future" mold and is already sort of a badass.
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:40 pm to Leauxgan
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..and a central play maker, but I can't recall very many guys off the top of my head that are realistic
Banega, Martin, Goteze.
Posted on 6/30/11 at 1:50 pm to crazy4lsu
My answer to A would by Sakho, Goetze, Mata, Baines, and Vidal.
Who he'll actually sign, I think will be Cahill, Jagielka, Mbia (or some other Ligue 1 DM), and Mata. Also, one or two top youngsters (of course).
Who he'll actually sign, I think will be Cahill, Jagielka, Mbia (or some other Ligue 1 DM), and Mata. Also, one or two top youngsters (of course).
Posted on 6/30/11 at 2:21 pm to Friend of OBUDan
My answer to A: Hazard, Gourcuff, Samba, and Sakho; no keepers and no left backs
This post was edited on 6/30/11 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 7/1/11 at 3:00 am to NOTORlOUSD
Posted on 7/2/11 at 2:21 pm to dgnx6
SSN:
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Further potential bad news for Arsenal fans is that a number of tomorrow's tabloids are going to report the fact Robin van Persie is weighing up his own future at the club.
Posted on 7/2/11 at 2:24 pm to TN Bhoy
Say it aint so. If we can get a full season out of rvp he will be awesome
I dont understand what hes talking ab people staying out past 3 and eating breakfast with his children. But i do understand that he would leave if they dont replace departing players wit household names. Even if he is captain. Doesnt look like good times for arsenal lie ahead. They all want the trophies.
I dont understand what hes talking ab people staying out past 3 and eating breakfast with his children. But i do understand that he would leave if they dont replace departing players wit household names. Even if he is captain. Doesnt look like good times for arsenal lie ahead. They all want the trophies.
This post was edited on 7/2/11 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/2/11 at 2:41 pm to TN Bhoy
lowellz... RvP will end his top flight career with us. if he did end up leaving, it would reach a surreal level of comic distress, assuming everyone else abandons ship this summer.
my guess is that Nasri is politicking his wages, leaning towards staying unless we're too fiscally conservative, and that Cesc will be gone if Barca offer a reasonable amount of cash. Nasri is primed to be our heartbeat once Cesc departs.
my guess is that Nasri is politicking his wages, leaning towards staying unless we're too fiscally conservative, and that Cesc will be gone if Barca offer a reasonable amount of cash. Nasri is primed to be our heartbeat once Cesc departs.
Posted on 7/2/11 at 8:25 pm to Leauxgan
thenry's take:
I'm honestly sick of this shite from Arsenal. It just doesn't add up. Arsenal make more money (profit without debt) than any club in the world. It's as if they want to be a better business than a football club. Sure selling Nasri, Cesc, Clichy, Charlie George, Ian Wright etc. will earn more profit than any club this summer. Arsenal will still probably finish 4th or above and make it to this year's Champions League knockout round. Will it please the fans? Hell no. Man United and Barcelona make more money (profits not including debt) because they fricking win. They want trophies. Wenger realizes that he can't compete with Vidic and Evra with Chamakh and Ramsey leading the line.
Cesc may have had an underwhelming season. But if I wanted one player on Arsenal to create a goal for me, you better believe I'm picking #4.
Nasri is the most talented French player right now. Let's sell him to City where he can sit on the bench and win a trophy.
This isn't the Arsenal I fell in love with in 2006. As the season went on, I just laughed at how we found we found ways of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I no longer cared if we dropped points to Sunderland or some other shite club.
I still like all of our players, but damnit I'm sick of being a good team with no winning drive. Arsenal is the pre-2011 Dallas Mavericks. Everyone loves watching them, but they love it more when they fail because we can't figure out how to win.
Despite the best wishes of this board, I actually really like Barcelona. Sure they bitch and moan on the field. It's better than bitching and moaning after the game, when you know that you just were an inferior team. Ahem Mr. Wenger.
Teams win trophies by fostering chemistry that is built over years of playing with each other. See Barcelona, Man United; not by selling off the best players and hoping that a replacement will have the same impact the second he steps on the pitch.
Barcelona has management that still wants to win playing beautiful football first and foremost. Arsenal has management that wants to make a profit, stubbornly prove a failed point about youth development, and then thirdly maybe win playing attractive soccer.
Patrice Evra was right.
/rant
I'm honestly sick of this shite from Arsenal. It just doesn't add up. Arsenal make more money (profit without debt) than any club in the world. It's as if they want to be a better business than a football club. Sure selling Nasri, Cesc, Clichy, Charlie George, Ian Wright etc. will earn more profit than any club this summer. Arsenal will still probably finish 4th or above and make it to this year's Champions League knockout round. Will it please the fans? Hell no. Man United and Barcelona make more money (profits not including debt) because they fricking win. They want trophies. Wenger realizes that he can't compete with Vidic and Evra with Chamakh and Ramsey leading the line.
Cesc may have had an underwhelming season. But if I wanted one player on Arsenal to create a goal for me, you better believe I'm picking #4.
Nasri is the most talented French player right now. Let's sell him to City where he can sit on the bench and win a trophy.
This isn't the Arsenal I fell in love with in 2006. As the season went on, I just laughed at how we found we found ways of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I no longer cared if we dropped points to Sunderland or some other shite club.
I still like all of our players, but damnit I'm sick of being a good team with no winning drive. Arsenal is the pre-2011 Dallas Mavericks. Everyone loves watching them, but they love it more when they fail because we can't figure out how to win.
Despite the best wishes of this board, I actually really like Barcelona. Sure they bitch and moan on the field. It's better than bitching and moaning after the game, when you know that you just were an inferior team. Ahem Mr. Wenger.
Teams win trophies by fostering chemistry that is built over years of playing with each other. See Barcelona, Man United; not by selling off the best players and hoping that a replacement will have the same impact the second he steps on the pitch.
Barcelona has management that still wants to win playing beautiful football first and foremost. Arsenal has management that wants to make a profit, stubbornly prove a failed point about youth development, and then thirdly maybe win playing attractive soccer.
Patrice Evra was right.
/rant
This post was edited on 7/2/11 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 7/2/11 at 8:57 pm to thenry712
Wasn't much of a rant. Too much rationale.
Being a feeder club the past few years has been really frustrating. Particularly in the fact that our two best players of all time (and club captains) haven't been satisfied to play out their remaining peak years in the red and white. I'm fairly open-minded about selling players at their peak value, but its frustrating that with Henry and Cesc it looks like both will go for less than they're worth, a year after they would have gone for a considerable amount more.
I think we have to hold onto Cesc because we can control that. We can't really control what Nasri does, because if he won't re-sign we have to sell him. I'm not sure if Arsene really understands, but I feel like at least Gazidis realizes that selling both would be a dangerous thing to do to a fan base on the edge. I tend to agree that the loss of David Dein has really hurt us. I think he had a good understanding of what needed to be done and worked well reining in some of Wenger's destructive transfer tendencies.
One thing that will be nice is getting better endorsement deals here in the next couple of years. The last deals we signed are really hindering us now since we took so much cash up front.
Being a feeder club the past few years has been really frustrating. Particularly in the fact that our two best players of all time (and club captains) haven't been satisfied to play out their remaining peak years in the red and white. I'm fairly open-minded about selling players at their peak value, but its frustrating that with Henry and Cesc it looks like both will go for less than they're worth, a year after they would have gone for a considerable amount more.
I think we have to hold onto Cesc because we can control that. We can't really control what Nasri does, because if he won't re-sign we have to sell him. I'm not sure if Arsene really understands, but I feel like at least Gazidis realizes that selling both would be a dangerous thing to do to a fan base on the edge. I tend to agree that the loss of David Dein has really hurt us. I think he had a good understanding of what needed to be done and worked well reining in some of Wenger's destructive transfer tendencies.
One thing that will be nice is getting better endorsement deals here in the next couple of years. The last deals we signed are really hindering us now since we took so much cash up front.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 8:59 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Interesting little factoid I gleaned from another message board.
I'm really not worried about the LB position. It's one position where Wenger really knows his stuff. We need some cover, though I think we could possibly last with Traore and/or Botelho. We don't have any young LB coming through the academy though, which might be worrying.
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Gibbs is 21 years old, has only appeared 57 times for the first team and has a dodgy injury record.
Rewind back to the summer of 2006 when Ashley Cole left for Chelsea. Clichy was 21 years old, had only appeared 57 times for the first team and had a dodgy injury record.
I'm really not worried about the LB position. It's one position where Wenger really knows his stuff. We need some cover, though I think we could possibly last with Traore and/or Botelho. We don't have any young LB coming through the academy though, which might be worrying.
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