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Zuckerberg Group makes a massive error. Study shows 700K jobs lost to DACA
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:12 am
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:12 am
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A study by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s open borders organization revealed that if an Obama-created amnesty program for young illegal aliens is ended, it would open nearly 700,000 American jobs.
The study claims that on average, if Trump were to repeal DACA, 30,000 American job opportunities would open up each month. FWD.us President Todd Schulte touted the results of the study as a loss for America’s business community, saying it would have “severe consequences” on the economy.
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:13 am to MButterfly
Let's do it then.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:16 am to MButterfly
"Don't be Breitbart. Don't be Breitbart.....DOH!"
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:16 am to MButterfly
Thanks Mark for making our point on your dime!
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:24 am to MButterfly
The Study
A non-citizen working and providing value >>>>> citizen leaching off of others, not working, and providing little to not value, or worse, negative value.
quote:If 91% of them are employed, then it seems that if you're going to focus on immigration, that last one's you want to get rid of are those who are actually working and providing value to society.
nearly 91% of DACA recipients (Svajlenka, Jawetz and Bautista-Chavez, 2017) are currently employed across the country
A non-citizen working and providing value >>>>> citizen leaching off of others, not working, and providing little to not value, or worse, negative value.
This post was edited on 8/31/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:37 am to buckeye_vol
There is a lot of truth in what you're saying. I wouldn't start deporting these folks. However, limiting these work visas while encouraging training and employment of American citizens as a future policy is not a bad idea.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:37 am to buckeye_vol
Sure just let them stay with no repercussions to motivate the next wave!
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:38 am to MButterfly
What's the hold up?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:41 am to buckeye_vol
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If 91% of them are employed, then it seems that if you're going to focus on immigration, that last one's you want to get rid of are those who are actually working and providing value to society. A non-citizen working and providing value >>>>> citizen leaching off of others, not working, and providing little to not value, or worse, negative value.
Agreed. I've long been a proponent of letting hard-working immigrants stay and deporting all the welfare dependents who have never even tried to work a day in their life. I don't care if they were born here or not.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:42 am to buckeye_vol
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A non-citizen working and providing value >>>>> citizen leaching off of others, not working, and providing little to not value, or worse, negative value.
Yeah. I'm not seeing the error. But you know the OP.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:52 am to Jimbeaux
quote:Agreed. Government, as inefficient, ineffective, and detrimental as it can be, is best when it's focusing on ways to increase the productivity, value, skills, and independence of its population.
However, limiting these work visas while encouraging training and employment of American citizens as a future policy is not a bad idea.
Frankly, I don't understand why immigration policy doesn't treat various citizenship statuses more like a valuable market item that people can work toward and/or pay for.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:56 am to Jimbeaux
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There is a lot of truth in what you're saying. I wouldn't start deporting these folks. However, limiting these work visas while encouraging training and employment of American citizens as a future policy is not a bad idea.
I do think our immigration reform needs to be aggressive but forward looking. I've always been open to the idea of selective amnesty (e.g. a form of DACA or whatever) IF it is combined with aggressive border and illegal immigration reform. The former without the latter is unacceptable. A lot of illegal immigrants need to go - period. However the reality is a lot should be allowed to stay at this point but only if we seriously commit to stopping the future flow. Whether that is by a wall, border patrol, increased ICE enforcement on employers or all of the above. We can't necessarily pragmatically and wholly fix the problems of the past, but we can do a lot better with eliminating the problem in the future.
Trump should use the leverage of amnesty type programs such a DACA in getting what he wants accomplished regarding eliminating illegal immigration (e.g., the wall, etc.). I.e., I won't eliminate these programs in exchange for you giving me what I need to solve future illegal immigration.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:58 am to gthog61
quote:Well if it's motivating those who work and contribute to society, then that's a group who is better than many of our citizens, and that's a policy better than most government policies (low bar though).
Sure just let them stay with no repercussions to motivate the next wave!
Then if we also add policies that disincentivize those would provide no value and/or a negative value, then we would create an even better paradigm, and we could more effectively appropriate resources enforcing immigration policies.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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that last one's you want to get rid of are those who are actually working and providing value to society.
A non-citizen working and providing value >>>>> citizen leaching off of others, not working, and providing little to not value, or worse, negative value.
It seems to me, we want to put legal citizens to work before illegal people and non citizens.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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like a valuable market item that people can work toward and/or pay for.
The path to citizenship should center around this.
1- you must pay back taxes
2- you must pay a penalty
3- you must get in line
4- your place in line depends on 1 and 2 above and your work/student status
Keep the good ones that want to work and follow the American dream but it comes at a price since you didn't follow the laws.
Compromise?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:02 pm to elposter
quote:Agreed, but I think there are things we can do to disincentivize non-ideal illegal immigration too. So then the enforcement can be more targeted and effective. Altogether then we could do this without an artificial barrier.
IF it is combined with aggressive border and illegal immigration reform.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:04 pm to asurob1
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Yeah. I'm not seeing the error.
Because you are starting with "nobody will fill these jobs that are unemployed".
I disagree with that.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:05 pm to roadGator
quote:It may seem like semantics, but rather than looking at as a penalty and punishment, I think it would be more effective to frame it as an incentive for something ideal (citizenship). Reinforcement is just more effective, even when the intended outcome and costs are the same.
1- you must pay back taxes
2- you must pay a penalty
3- you must get in line
4- your place in line depends on 1 and 2 above and your work/student status
Keep the good ones that want to work and follow the American dream but it comes at a price since you didn't follow the laws.
Compromise?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:07 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
If 91% of them are employed, then it seems that if you're going to focus on immigration, that last one's you want to get rid of are those who are actually working and providing value to society.
A non-citizen working and providing value >>>>> citizen leaching off of others, not working, and providing little to not value, or worse, negative value.
I would have ended DACA long ago for several reasons.
1. Obama never had the authority to create this program
2. Quite simple, sanctuary cities want to protect criminals, fine. IN response we will deport ANY illegal alien we come across. Former DACA members, go complain to these cities if want me to consider keeping DACA.
It's called hardball and someone needs to start playing it against these morons.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:08 pm to buckeye_vol
I guess if that makes you and them feel better. Feelings are all the rage these days.
It's still a penalty if you want to call it a honey bee I'm good with that.
There's nothing wrong with paying a penalty and getting what you want even though you didn't go about it the right way.
I'm going to ask the next cop to not make me pay a honey bee for speeding though. I wanna see how that works for me.
It's still a penalty if you want to call it a honey bee I'm good with that.
There's nothing wrong with paying a penalty and getting what you want even though you didn't go about it the right way.
I'm going to ask the next cop to not make me pay a honey bee for speeding though. I wanna see how that works for me.
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