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re: You guys wanted to know when the vaccinated started dying.

Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:26 pm to
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27380 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:26 pm to
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I don’t get why you like shitting on it so much


I recommend high risk patients get it. I don't talk anyone out of it unless they are young and healthy. Even then, I only discuss it if they choose to. Have seen a very high rate of thrombotic events after the shots. Can't give a percent because I don't know how many pt's we have vaxxed total. We actually have a high percentage. I think many got it after dad passed that wouldn't have.

I don't like that they are ignoring natural immunity in the discussion. No better vaccine than the real thing.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
87511 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:28 pm to
I dont take away you are against the vaccines, I take away you are against the over reaction and data manipulation creating a false sense of urgency
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40478 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:31 pm to
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I don't like that they are ignoring natural immunity in the discussion. No better vaccine than the real thing.


Yeah, if you know for sure you can get there.

Your “high rate” of vaccine clots would be out of the norm. But as you said, you don’t know what your vaccine numbers are so hard to know the “rate.”

And as we know.....Covid clots too
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27380 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:36 pm to
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I dont take away you are against the vaccines, I take away you are against the over reaction and data manipulation creating a false sense of urgency


That's pretty much it. When what I'm told doesn't match what I'm seeing, I have to question things.

The way it's being pushed doesn't help. I don't know how anyone isn't hesitant to recommend it to young, healthy people. Especially those that have had COVID already. Each patient is different and I don't think it's a one size fits all solution. They aren't tracking side effects for shite. It's hard to help someone make an informed decision when lacking so much information.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
87511 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:42 pm to
and the covidians wonder why we question crusaders, doctors, pharma and the government so much
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111597 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:49 pm to
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but it definitely isn’t zero.


It’s not not zero.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32510 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:52 pm to
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Covid a a hoax there is no such thing

Shut down for two weeks and this will be over. Wear a mask and you will be safe. Take the vaccine and we will finally be back to normal. You are going to need booster shots and still wear your mask.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29230 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:07 am to
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the shite went in the trash


And frankly, the government is ok with that. They will still get their gravy off the government’s purchase of those vaccines.

It has always been about the money. The criminals running this country didn’t wake up one morning suddenly caring about the health and welfare of US citizens. They DO wake up every morning wondering how they can use their positions to make themselves and their family and friends richer at taxpayer expense.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99119 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:13 am to
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We had two people at our rehab throw clots. Both were vacccinated. Both died.


Deconditioned rehab pts commonly got PEs long before covid and covid vaccines were around


Wouldn't stop a hospital or ME from classifying those as "Covid deaths" since March 2020 if they were unvaxxed.

Can't have it both ways.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6602 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:19 am to
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65+ used to make up the vast majority of COVID-19 deaths.

They don’t make up as many of the deaths as they used to.


That tends to happen after all the weak ones die off.
Posted by BusterW
LA.
Member since Jul 2021
307 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:22 am to
The MOST credentialed people have been LYING from day one
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6602 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:22 am to
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A non crazy source says that if you are in Nevada and you are not vaccinated you are 15x more likely to die of COVID than your vaccinated counterparts.


Your link goes to the NY Times. What's the non-crazy source you referenced?
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6137 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:23 am to
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Sweet blind link


Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24839 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:25 am to
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 told everyone this. The 95% unvaccinated in ICU was old data before the vaccine was avail.


I'm on your side on this whole thing, but this doesn't make sense.

If a study is comparing two groups, one being unvaxxed, then the remaining other group has to represent vaxxed people right, which means the vaccine was available. Just trying to make sense if this...
Posted by BusterW
LA.
Member since Jul 2021
307 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:27 am to
That's a fact my friend.
Posted by BusterW
LA.
Member since Jul 2021
307 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:33 am to
I seriously doubt that.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30991 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:34 am to
It sucks we lost the control group. We will never be able to compare the natural progression of the virus to the vaccinated.

How would we ever know if the vaccine did more harm than good?
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 6:38 am
Posted by TN Dawg2
Knoxville
Member since Jun 2021
529 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:36 am to
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Crazy times that we have where so many conservatives are shitting on the capitalism of Big Pharma.



Forcing individuals by government edict to use your product isn't capitalism.

Posted by BusterW
LA.
Member since Jul 2021
307 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:39 am to
maybe he's emotional because he got the red arse, and is sick of this shite, that these fricking dictators are shoving down everybody's throats,

the GOP ain't gonna do nothing, it's WE THE PEOPLE who are gonna get shite down it's coming watch and see
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
3555 posts
Posted on 8/25/21 at 6:39 am to
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The way it's being pushed doesn't help. I don't know how anyone isn't hesitant to recommend it to young, healthy people. Especially those that have had COVID already. Each patient is different and I don't think it's a one size fits all solution. They aren't tracking side effects for shite. It's hard to help someone make an informed decision when lacking so much information.


I used to think that "informed consent" and "no unnecessary medical interventions" were central tenets of medical ethics.
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