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re: You guys realize the word "shithole" isn't what people are upset about, right?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:24 pm to BeefDawg
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:24 pm to BeefDawg
quote:And that's fine. Merit-based immigration policy is a good idea. The problem is thinking that a person's place of birth is indicative of merit.
Trump was behind closed doors being candid and speaking truth, that our immigration policy should be merit-based so as to bring in quality people who will contribute to the prosperity of the country rather than become another welfare dredge.
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:24 pm to Korkstand
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If you were a highly-educated, hardworking person from a shithole country looking for a better opportunity, would you prefer to move to a country where you feel welcomed, or to a country where the government and a large fraction of its citizens see you as unworthy simply because of where you were born?
I don't care about how the immigrant feels. Him/her coming here is a privilege for them, not me.
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How can you not think that a country's "image" is a factor for potential immigrants?
I don't care about how potential immigrants view this country.
Your problem is that you want to prioritize how others view the US instead of prioritizing the good of the US over others.
We're literally the only country that is stupid enough to do this.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:24 pm to Korkstand
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The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places.
I hate to break it to you, but most countries are tough as hell to get into. They want to import contributing talent that will contribute to an economic need, won't contribute to crime, and will assimilate. Don't believe me? Just look up New Zealand's immigration standards.
America has been way too lax way too long.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:25 pm to Korkstand
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The country has been taken advantage of, whether economically or militarily or in another way, by wealthier countries, in some cases for centuries.
White folk greed runs a world in need, amirite?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:25 pm to moneyg
quote:I made no such suggestion. I am suggesting that a person from Norway is no more entitled to immigrate here than a person from Nigeria, though.
Your suggestion that non Americans are entitled to immigrate here is absurd.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:26 pm to Yak
quote:Who said that? In fact, in my dialogue with YOU I already said that the problem is that they become a burden to America, not that they become criminals. A person with no marketable job skills in a foreign country with a welfare system will end up living off of the country's welfare system, thus becoming a drain to taxpayers. As Milton Friedman said, a nation can have open borders, or it can have welfare. It can't have both.
As if they are just simply going to become crack heads and thugs because they got a degree in history like your son in law.
quote:I've already said on this board that it was a dumb statement and I wish he hadn't said it.
It was a dumb statement by the POTUS, it's OK to disagree with him every once in a while.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:26 pm to Korkstand
quote:
very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places.
No...they TEND to be less worthy.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:26 pm to Korkstand
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1. Their government is shitty and corrupt (which isn't necessarily a reflection of the country's populace)
I would suggest that the American Revolution, the costs and sacrifices that went along with that define this great country. It is who we are. And it makes us better than those unwilling to make that same sacrifice.
It's not surprising that someone who doesn't recognize what truly makes us American can't understand a logical American first policy.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:27 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
I'm Mexican. My family comes from the number one shithole. As a Mexican and son of a Mexican immigrant, I find your assumptions and accusations far more racist than what Trump is accused of saying. You assume he is racist yet it is clear you have issues with your own racism.
I'm racist for positing that a Norwegian is not automatically a more preferable immigrant than a Nigerian or Mexican?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:28 pm to Korkstand
quote:He's correct.
The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places
Immigration policy should be set to benefit the nation being immigrated to.
In other worse, basically like every nation in the world save the stupid fricks in the EU. And even THEY have stricter immigration policy overall than we do
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:28 pm to Korkstand
quote:Um.
And that's fine. Merit-based immigration policy is a good idea. The problem is thinking that a person's place of birth is indicative of merit.
Are you seriously thinking that this isn't an indicator?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:31 pm to BBONDS25
quote:I can't be slow, I was born in America.
Immigration is a power specifically enumerated to the Feds. You are a little slow, aren't you?
I know what powers the feds have. But how does that change the fact that our immigration policy directly impacts the economy? Hell, it's the Trump supporters in here supporting his position by claiming it "econ 101", supply and demand.
And I do not disagree with that. I disagree with discriminating based on national origin rather than merit.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:31 pm to Korkstand
quote:
And that's fine. Merit-based immigration policy is a good idea. The problem is thinking that a person's place of birth is indicative of merit.
It is indicative statistically. We will all agree that it's not definitive to the individual. But the reality is that liberals do not support a merit based immigration policy. In fact, liberals don't even support an enforceable immigration policy.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:32 pm to L.A.
quote:And my entire point of putting up that article was to have us understand that the REAL people who are burdening America are not Nigerian immigrants getting degrees. We should not be equating these guys to illegal immigrants from Mexico, and the dialogue around here sure seems like we are...example being your questioning the worth of these guys getting a college degree, legally.
Who said that? In fact, in my dialogue with YOU I already said that the problem is that they become a burden to America, not that they become criminals.
quote:Dilly dilly
I've already said on this board that it was a dumb statement and I wish he hadn't said it.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:35 pm to Korkstand
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And I do not disagree with that. I disagree with discriminating based on national origin rather than merit.
And, as I said before, which portion of Trump's quote do you claim disregards merit? You don't know the quote. Nobody does. Yet you assume it is race based. Know what that makes you???
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:37 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I know what powers the feds have. But how does that change the fact that our immigration policy directly impacts the economy? Hell, it's the Trump supporters in here supporting his position by claiming it "econ 101", supply and demand.
Exactly. Which is why immigration policy should revolve around bringing people here who are ready and willing to assimilate and who bring something to the table.
This is really pretty much the norm in immigration policy for all the decent countries in the world.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:37 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:That's quite a detailed piece of information gleaned from a closed-door meeting. Source?
Actually, it's the opposite. His remarks came in opposition to giving immigrants from those countries priority over others.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:38 pm to Korkstand
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That's quite a detailed piece of information gleaned from a closed-door meeting. Source?
Interesting. You need a source for an interpretation that does not help the racism claims you made....yet you had no problem claiming racism....without a source. Telling.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:40 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places. Even if you strip away the possible (likely?) racist angle, you are still left with what is clearly class-based discrimination, and IMO that isn't the way the land of opportunity should present itself to the world.
frick that. A lot of countries won't take people in unless they can prove that they are able to provide for themselves and are a benefit to the country. We're slowly becoming the globe's relief valve and it's fricking bullshite.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:40 pm to Yak
quote:I've tried explaining my point to you twice already and you clearly don't understand it. I don't think a third time will help.
example being your questioning the worth of these guys getting a college degree, legally.
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