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Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:12 pm to moneyg
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It pisses me off to see true racism. And this is a great example.
It's not racism because he Thinks Correctly, but more importantly Feels Correctly.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:12 pm to CptBengal
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No they aren't.
Holy shite. Just stop lying.
Yes. Yes they are. I just gave an example of one doing just that.
I'm sorry you feel differently.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:13 pm to Iosh
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Nigerian-Americans kick the shite out of both Americans and Nigerians when it comes to income and educational attainment.
Who cares how they do compared to their home country? It's illogical to think this is meaningful.
Now, the first point of how they perform against Americans is valuable. THAT should be the standard. And it's precisely the point Trump is making.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:13 pm to Korkstand
I have 5 coworkers from Nigeria. We were talking about this today. They all agreed with Trump. Nigeria is a shithole and it is why they left.
All of the people who are "outraged" with this statement were silent or in agreement with Hillary that called all Trump supporters and Republicans deplorables. After the election, any area that was not blue was "flyover" because the only places that really matter to people are Califiornia and New England states.
Does anyone in the world who wants to come to the U.S. have a right to do so? No one who claims to be liberal or outraged has answered this question.
All of the people who are "outraged" with this statement were silent or in agreement with Hillary that called all Trump supporters and Republicans deplorables. After the election, any area that was not blue was "flyover" because the only places that really matter to people are Califiornia and New England states.
Does anyone in the world who wants to come to the U.S. have a right to do so? No one who claims to be liberal or outraged has answered this question.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:14 pm to Korkstand
The problem with the whole thing is that Dems discredit Trump on how says something and not based on policy. I do not like what Trump said, but I am not therefore forced to discredit the merits of his position. I do think we should allow some to enter based on humanitarian need. However, we can not open it to everyone without taking proper precautions.
If I think there is a need to help orphans I might adopt a couple, but I don’t adopt a hundred. I still have to take care of my own children. If I were to neglect my own children to help this would be wrong also.
All this to say. I might not agree with what and how Trump said what he said, but it still is a better position then what the democrats propose.
If I think there is a need to help orphans I might adopt a couple, but I don’t adopt a hundred. I still have to take care of my own children. If I were to neglect my own children to help this would be wrong also.
All this to say. I might not agree with what and how Trump said what he said, but it still is a better position then what the democrats propose.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:14 pm to LordSaintly
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Not always. India is a shithole country, but there are scores of successful Indians here.
You know the plural of anecdote is not "data" right?
Obviously there are successful immigrants from every country here, the point is that we need to be selective about who we allow to come here. Personally I don't see any point in prioritizing one country over another, but hey it triggers the snowflakes, so...
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:14 pm to Korkstand
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The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places
Actually, it's the opposite. His remarks came in opposition to giving immigrants from those countries priority over others.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:16 pm to CptRusty
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Obviously there are successful immigrants from every country here, the point is that we need to be selective about who we allow to come here
I can't argue with that.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:16 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:Abso-fricking-lutely agree. Point is there is no merit to being born in a particular country.
Well....yeah? "MERIT-based immigration".
quote:I don't know, perhaps we should ask them?
What skills do the shitholers bring?
quote:Good questions. Do you know how to answer them? (Hint: Not by discounting them)
How will they assimilate to our society? Will their skills be a net positive or a net drain on our country?
quote:Of course we should.
If we're going to open our doors to outsiders, should we not have some level of say so in evaluating why they deserve to be here?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:16 pm to Bourre
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With 1/2 of current immigrants sucking off the government’s tit, why would we allow more people in with no skills and no ability to contribute? We want the best and brightest, not more voting slaves for the slum lords
I don't think the percentage is nearly that high. Do you have any support of that number?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:17 pm to TrueTiger
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So, this gets back to an immigration policy that should screen for functional individuals regardless of race or national origin. We should take in people with a demonstrated level of skill and ability that have a reasonable likelihood of making a positive contribution. We are already perfectly capable of providing a home-grown supply of dysfunctional people and don't need to import those.
TT....agreed, any reasonable person would not/could not
disagree with this. We would not be having this conversation if the politicians (535 of them) had done
their job in years long past.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:17 pm to Korkstand
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So now conservatives are alright with government meddling in the economy?
Holy shite, you are dumb.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:17 pm to narddogg81
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We should be taking people from Norway instead of fricking Central America/Haiti/African shitholes. Let's see, what makes our country stronger and better, well educated, hard working, law-abiding Norwegian with some kind of useful specialty or skill, or uneducated, poverty-stricken, Salvadoran who is either going to come and get in social services or is a ms-13 member?
quote:Merit-based immigration policy isn't really controversial. Your post, though, is a perfect example of what is controversial about this.
This should not be a controversial position
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:19 pm to L.A.
quote:I think it funny how we are talking about people from a 3rd world country are moving over here and are obviously smart enough to get degrees, and then we go, "yeah, but what KIND of degrees, eh?" As if they are just simply going to become crack heads and thugs because they got a degree in history like your son in law.
Yes, serious. Maybe we're thinking differently about the word "marketable". I'm thinking of marketable in terms of skills that America needs. Doctors, engineers, stone masons, carpenters, plumbers, etc. Something they can bring to the table to help build America. So obviously a professor in a filed where we need more professors would have a marketable skill. I used my son in law as an example of someone who will have a degree in a field where there is already a surplus of people with degrees.
It was a dumb statement by the POTUS, it's OK to disagree with him every once in a while.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:21 pm to Salmon
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I'm sorry you feel differently.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:21 pm to airfernando
quote:If you were a highly-educated, hardworking person from a shithole country looking for a better opportunity, would you prefer to move to a country where you feel welcomed, or to a country where the government and a large fraction of its citizens see you as unworthy simply because of where you were born?
completely irrelevant. How we present our country to world means nothing.
How can you not think that a country's "image" is a factor for potential immigrants?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:22 pm to Korkstand
If a country is a shithole and you allow unchecked immigration from those countries then those people will turn your country into a shithole
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:23 pm to Salmon
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just gave an example of one doing jus
One isn't many you liar
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:23 pm to CptBengal
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One isn't many you liar
this is what you have become
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