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re: Yikes. House dems appeared to have leaked a fake/forged USCP statement on 1/6 commission

Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by JAY GRYMES
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:28 pm to
Looks like Brian Williams wrote it
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94520 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:35 pm to
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but the officer who wrote the unofficial statement told CNN's Jamie Gangel that it represents the views of 40 to 50 officers on the force, and that the statement "needed to be out there. It needed to be done."



So an anonymous officer who CLAIMS to represent the views 40 to 50 officers put out a statement collectively speaking for the thousands of USCP?
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:44 pm to
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US Criminal Code sanctions personation, so 18 U.S. Code § 912 - Officer or employee of the United States may fit the bill:


The letter states it’s coming from members of the capitol police, which is true. This criminal code would not apply.

I send letters everyday on my firms letterhead. Doesn’t mean I’m speaking on behalf of the entire company.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
5821 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:00 pm to
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The grammar in that letter is atrocious. They couldn't find a single person that knows how to properly use a comma?


That 2nd paragraph? Lots of, commas, in that, long arsed, run-on, sentence.

This crybaby is probably full of er's and um's when he/she speaks. Some say BHO is running things behind the scenes. Things that make you say hmmm.....?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34146 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:04 pm to
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I send letters everyday on my firms letterhead. Doesn’t mean I’m speaking on behalf of the entire company.


Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:11 pm to
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I send letters everyday on my firms letterhead. Doesn’t mean I’m speaking on behalf of the entire company.


This is a misleading argument. You are speaking obo your company if, when you sign the letter, you violate the law in the course and scope of your employment- say, Fair Debt Collection Practices Act sort of way, or in other ways deemed to be within the C&S. Your company/firm is vicariously on the hook.

Quite a different thing to impersonate your managing partner and send a letter out on his letterhead to an important client stating "the firm is deeply disappointed to hear of your support of deviant homosexuality- this is a deeply personal affront to me as a homosexual man broke his wedding vows to my daughter marriage and ran off with a gay Willie Nelson impersonator. As a result, our firm can no longer represent you."

Regardless, if you thought it is excessively harsh to imprison the alleged USCP folk who forged a letter to mislead the public as to USCP's official positions, then I am sure you are just as incensed with imprisoning people without bail for nearly five months for allegedly trespassing on the Capital (despite being welcomed in by said USCP) in furtherance of their First Amendment rights.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:18 pm to
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This is a misleading argument. You are speaking obo your company if, when you sign the letter, you violate the law in the course and scope of your employment- say, Fair Debt Collection Practices Act sort of way, or in other ways deemed to be within the C&S. Your company/firm is vicariously on the hook.


That’s fair, but the point remains that what they did isn’t really applicable to the law you cited. They aren’t impersonating a government employee. They are government employees. They violated policy, not law.

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Regardless, if you thought it is excessively harsh to imprison the alleged USCP folk who forged a letter to mislead the public as to USCP's official positions, then I am sure you are just as incensed with imprisoning people without bail for nearly five months for allegedly trespassing on the Capital (despite being welcomed in by said USCP) in furtherance of their First Amendment rights.


I wouldn’t describe Jan. 6 the same way you did, but I generally don’t agree with holding people without bail.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 9:21 pm
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:30 pm to
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They aren’t impersonating a government employee. They are government employees.


So if it was the maintenance guy with access to the Chief's office who did this, he would get a pass because of his W2 relationship with the agency vs. the 1099 IT guy with the same access? C'mon Mickey!
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 9:30 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:31 pm to
I didn’t say they would get a pass. I said they didn’t break the law.
Posted by BigDawg0420
Hamsterdam
Member since Apr 2010
7397 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:44 pm to
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Doesn't look to be faked/forged. Looks to be done by a group of Capitol Police officers without approval to issue a statement on their letterhead.


Sticking up for criminals and liars, the Democrat way. It was done with the intention of deceiving the public into thinking the Capitol Police dislike Republicans and are in on the Liberal agenda. When in reality, it’s a small percentage of low-iq individuals within the CP who hold this view. They all deserve to be fired for insubordination.
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14947 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:53 pm to
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I didn’t say they would get a pass. I said they didn’t break the law.




Obviously, neither would "get a pass." We are talking of criminal sanctions. Your position is that an employee, regardless of rank/position, cannot break the personation laws. But an independent contractor could?

Admittedly, haven't researched the jurisprudence under that statute, but seems it could work. Hell, if they could predicate alleged crimes against Flynn and others based on Logan Act/FARA violations, might as well go lawfare on these slimy dim USCP "employee" operatives.
Posted by TDFreak
Dodge Charger Aficionado
Member since Dec 2009
7370 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:59 pm to
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I'm sure twitter will slap on one of their "false, misleading information" warnings ASAP


THIS X1000!

This is why I deleted my Twitter. The hypocrisy!
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6772 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:08 pm to
For this you need loud and penetrating communication devices. The bullhorns with the green tips work best.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23075 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:26 pm to
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Sticking up for criminals and liars,


Nope

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It was done with the intention of deceiving the public into thinking the Capitol Police dislike Republicans and are in on the Liberal agenda. When in reality, it’s a small percentage of low-iq individuals within the CP who hold this view. They all deserve to be fired for insubordination.


Yep. Agreed.
Posted by Rawdawgs
Member since Dec 2007
910 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:11 am to
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They all deserve to be fired for insubordination.


They won't be.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69301 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:14 am to
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i laughed way too hard at this.

it is almost perfectly synced

What a frickin randomly applicable gif
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