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re: Yesterday, the FBI showed up at the home of a Trump supporter in California. Video in link

Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by Wishing Well
Member since Mar 2024
323 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:28 pm to
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Local and state LEOs are so much worse much more often.


Oh god, here we go again.
I'm going to have to agree with Slow here.

I can't understand at all how conservatives have finally figured out the FBI and other similar agencies are not be trusted yet still have a complete mental block when it comes to cops.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:28 pm to
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The point is the massive power of the federal government makes it more of a threat.


SFP says the states and local govts are collective.
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
2465 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:29 pm to
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I'm literally arguing to decrease all LEO in this thread.

Fit that into "sucking that big government dick', friend.


Yes, you regularly contradict yourself.
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Yes, you regularly contradict yourself.


He says the collective power of all local and state LEO trumps the FBI.

Thats literal waterhead territory.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Well, can you point to where you think it evens out then?

No because it's not a partisan issue. The Republicans arrested and prosecuted in response to losing the 2020 election are an insanely small % of the combined population of the 2.

This isn't a zero-sum scenario, and if it were, we'd need thousands more Patriots arrested/prosecuted to even it out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:31 pm to
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Yes, you regularly contradict yourself.

Only to people who rely on terrible "assumptions" or who can't read.

Which are you?
Posted by Wishing Well
Member since Mar 2024
323 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:31 pm to
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I don't agree with that. Misused and abused, yes. Politicized by one political party? I don't see that.

That's fair but barely relevant.

Cops deserve exactly the same level of trust these FBI agents got.

And don't get too comfortable about them not being misused by one party. That's just cause they're spread out with widely varied leadership. But make no mistake. They are just as corruptable if not moreso.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261333 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:32 pm to
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I can't understand at all how conservatives have finally figured out the FBI and other similar agencies are not be trusted yet still have a complete mental block when it comes to cops.


My local PD ends at the city limits.

Its tiny and responsive to our local laws.

Is the FBI responsive to all of your local laws?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:32 pm to
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SFP says the states and local govts are collective.

Rog when did the Constitution stop applying to local/state LEO?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57372 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:33 pm to
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quote:

Groups who commit more crimes
get prosecuted more often.
When did we start prosecuting groups? There's a word for that.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56655 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:33 pm to
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the total power of local LEO dwarfs the FBI by a significant factor


That’s a blanket statement that’s not meaningful.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:33 pm to
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I can't understand at all how conservatives have finally figured out the FBI and other similar agencies are not be trusted yet still have a complete mental block when it comes to cops.

they understand it, at least the theory of it, but only when it applies to someone in their perceived in group.

2 of the major Trump prosecutions, and the recent admin action, are all state actions, not federal ones. They complain about those all the time.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261333 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:34 pm to
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That’s a blanket statement that’s not meaningful.


Its fricking retarded.

The FBI has powers local LEO will never have. State and local LE are independent, not collective.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:34 pm to
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That’s a blanket statement that’s not meaningful.

It is when you try to paint the smaller, less significant group as more powerful/dangerous. Perhaps you'd like to revise your earlier arguments?
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
2465 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:35 pm to
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Thats literal waterhead territory.


Posted by Wishing Well
Member since Mar 2024
323 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:35 pm to
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My local PD ends at the city limits.

Its tiny and responsive to our local laws.

Is the FBI responsive to all of your local laws?
Don't get me wrong. Yes. Overall, the FBI is more dangerous.

That still doesn't mean cops are any better .They just have less reach.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
1962 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:35 pm to
The home has to be occupied by one of those people that Wray says is an imminent threat that worries him. When another terrorist attack occurs from the hostile foreign invaders, the FBI is going to come knocking asking blaming citizens for inciting the terrorist.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56655 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:37 pm to
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I'm going to have to agree with Slow here.

I can't understand at all how conservatives have finally figured out the FBI and other similar agencies are not be trusted yet still have a complete mental block when it comes to cops.


I don’t think that’s accurate. That’s a straw man you created.

I think they view the fbi as politically biased. They view the fbi as more if a threat.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 12:39 pm to
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I think they view the fbi as politically biased.

It's not

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They view the fbi as more if a threat.

Because they are NPCs and were told to repeat this line while "Backing the blue"
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