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YES, Solar Energry adds to Climate Change. YES Wind turbines add to warming
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:04 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:04 am
Let's start with wind and Harvard:
A 2018 study conducted by scientists from Harvard, published in the academic journal Joule, found that wind turbines cause significant local increases in surface temperatures in the areas where they are located. Wind turbines cause local temperature increases at the surface of the earth by causing air to mix throughout portions of the atmosphere, and Minnesota would be one of the states impacted most by this phenomenon.
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SOLAR? Yep:
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A 2018 study conducted by scientists from Harvard, published in the academic journal Joule, found that wind turbines cause significant local increases in surface temperatures in the areas where they are located. Wind turbines cause local temperature increases at the surface of the earth by causing air to mix throughout portions of the atmosphere, and Minnesota would be one of the states impacted most by this phenomenon.
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SOLAR? Yep:
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A recent study reveals an aspect about solar energy we never expected or thought possible – it contributes to climate change.
The study, conducted by climate change research scientist Aixue Hu of the National Center for Atmospheric Research and published Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, found that solar panels tend to cause regional cooling when converting sunlight into electricity and increase urban area temperatures when said electricity transforms into heat.
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:09 am to Jjdoc
Anything you do has an impact. It costs energy to manufacture wind turbines and if made in China imagine the heavy metals into local streams. Wind turbines kill birds and bats. Solar power with the focusing mirrors they use to heat boilers fry any bird unlucky enough to fly through the beam. These Green New Deal clowns live in fantasy land. Wind doesn't blow all the time and sometimes it blows too hard. Solar doesn't work well where it is cloudy. For industry you need reliable power. But they don't want industry or jobs for middle class Americans. If all these green jobs were practical they would have investors, not subsidies.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:09 am to Jjdoc
Ah, come on man, what could possibly be wrong with intermittent power sources with a big environmental foot print, a short life expectancy, and a maintenance profile more like an aircraft 200' up in the air than a power plant.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:10 am to Jjdoc
When you're done with those big ugly bastards, just landfill them. Very environmentally friendly.
Bloomberg - Wyoming Turbine Landfill
Bloomberg - Wyoming Turbine Landfill
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:10 am to Jjdoc
Additionally, large amt. of land required for solar plus waste factor s/b a consideration.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:12 am to Jjdoc
Where the hell is all the land going to come from for these turbines, and how do they work for the many hot, windless days we have here? How exactly does solar power work in the dark, freezing snow, and gloomy winter? Do you plug your car into the sun or wind? It’s all talk.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:16 am to geauxturbo
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Landfill
As Trump says - "the cure is worse than the problem itself" it appears.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:18 am to Jjdoc
Every time I hear them talk about this stuff it’s like they’re saying “all the good ideas were already taken so we’re going to try and convince everyone that this bad idea is actually a good one.”
“And if that doesn’t work we will SCREAM!”
Buncha children.
“And if that doesn’t work we will SCREAM!”
Buncha children.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:21 am to Jjdoc
All you need to know about the seriousness of this issue:
Fracking has led to carbon emission reductions.
Nuclear Power is the cleanest form of power generation we can use to power the grid.
People scared of the sun monster want to limit both.
Fracking has led to carbon emission reductions.
Nuclear Power is the cleanest form of power generation we can use to power the grid.
People scared of the sun monster want to limit both.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:22 am to Jjdoc
YES, it takes crude oil to produce the chemicals necessary to manufacture wind turbines and everything used to study climate change.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:24 am to Jjdoc
Summary from the actual study:
From the solar panel article:
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We find that generating today’s US electricity demand (0.5 TWe) with wind power would warm Continental US surface temperatures by 0.24C. Warming arises, in part, from turbines redistributing heat by mixing the boundary layer.
Modeled diurnal and seasonal temperature differences are roughly consistent with recent observations of warming at wind farms, reflecting a coherent mechanistic understanding for how wind turbines alter climate. The warming effect is: small compared with projections of 21st century warming, approximately equivalent to the reduced warming achieved by decarbonizing global electricity
generation, and large compared with the reduced warming achieved by decarbonizing US electricity with wind. For the same generation rate, the climatic impacts from solar photovoltaic systems are about ten times smaller than wind systems. Wind’s overall environmental impacts are surely less than fossil energy. Yet, as the energy system is decarbonized, decisions between wind and solar should be informed by estimates of their climate impacts.
From the solar panel article:
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But in the end, despite the drawbacks of instillations, solar energy consumption is still a better alternative to using fossil fuels. "Globally it will not affect the global climate much," Hu told The Washington Post.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:34 am to Jjdoc
Electric Cars Aren't as Green as You Might Think: Despite their green halo, e-cars create pollution and carbon emissions in ways that are easily overlooked by consumers and investors.....
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....Electric cars need to be light, which means they include a lot of high-performing metals. The lithium in the batteries, for example, is super light and conductive—that’s how you get a lot of energy without adding a lot of weight. Other, rare metals are sprinkled throughout the car, mostly in the magnets that are in everything from the headlights to the on-board electronics.
But those rare metals come from somewhere—often, from environmentally destructive mines.... All electric vehicles rely on parts with similar environmental issues. Even solar panels depend on rare metals that have to be dug out of the earth and processed in less-than-green ways, says David Abraham, author of the book The Elements of Power.
Rare metals only exist in tiny quantities and inconvenient places—so you have to move a lot of earth to get just a little bit. In the Jiangxi rare earth mine in China, workers dig eight-foot holes and pour ammonium sulfate into them to dissolve the sandy clay. Then they haul out bags of muck and pass it through several acid baths; what’s left is baked in a kiln, leaving behind the rare earths required by everything from our phones to our Teslas.
At this mine, those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pulled out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent—now contaminated with toxic chemicals—is dumped back into the environment. That damage is difficult to quantify, just like the impact of oil drilling.
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