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Yahoo Front Page-"Time for Democrats to campaign on Class- again"
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:39 am
LINK
Very long interesting read by a very out of touch liberal journalist.
TLDR version:
-gave a very poor history lesson of the birth of Dem party from Jackson to Hoover to JFK to Bill to Obama
-increase minimum wage
-don't stop the fight for social justice
-Democratic party is still party of the people
-Trump and Republicans have a narrow minded view of US
-identity politics can still be at the forefront along economical issues
-going forward the only answer some young rising Dem stars said was "Bold" "Populist" "We need to have new ideas, bolder ideas, bigger ideas" They Absolutely gave no answers besides lip service and talking points. They have literally zero specific answers right now to fight back.
-talked up Sharrod Brown as a possible 2020 nominee; pro gun control, pro choice, pro gay, socialist like mentality, increase minimum wage, etc
This picture is just ridiculous
quote:
Economics or culture? This, in short, is the debate that has consumed the Democratic Party since the disorienting morning of Nov. 9, when Hillary Clinton — who was supposed to have an 85 percent chance of winning — finally called Trump to concede. It is a debate that has produced 11 months of postmortems and polemics, each more assured of its own simple rightness than the last.
If only liberals weren’t so obsessed with identity politics, argues Columbia humanities professor Mark Lilla in the New York Times, then everything would be different.
If only Democrats knew how to talk to blue-collar whites, added University of California law professor Joan C. Williams in the Harvard Business Review, then Trump wouldn’t be president.
Wait a minute, countered Columbia law professor Katherine Franke in the Los Angeles Review of Books. A liberalism that ignores identity — that “regards the protests of people of color and women as a complaint or a feeling, ignoring the facts upon which those protests are based” — is a liberalism of “white supremacy.” And so on.
Very long interesting read by a very out of touch liberal journalist.
TLDR version:
-gave a very poor history lesson of the birth of Dem party from Jackson to Hoover to JFK to Bill to Obama
-increase minimum wage
-don't stop the fight for social justice
-Democratic party is still party of the people
-Trump and Republicans have a narrow minded view of US
-identity politics can still be at the forefront along economical issues
-going forward the only answer some young rising Dem stars said was "Bold" "Populist" "We need to have new ideas, bolder ideas, bigger ideas" They Absolutely gave no answers besides lip service and talking points. They have literally zero specific answers right now to fight back.
-talked up Sharrod Brown as a possible 2020 nominee; pro gun control, pro choice, pro gay, socialist like mentality, increase minimum wage, etc
This picture is just ridiculous
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:41 am to Magician2
They don’t understand or like working class whites. I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:45 am to Magician2
No self respecting white will vote D for a generation after 2016.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:46 am to Magician2
Prison yard workout photo. Trannies making music. Seems like Nancy and Chuck would fit right in.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 8:50 am to Magician2
They have alienated working class white males
Have preached social justice and inequality to the point where only a black nanosexual quadriplegic tranny can be their party's nominee
They will continue to get slaughtered in off year elections due to turn out and the fact that Repubs have finally gotten better at local GOTV efforts
National outlook for Dems is incredibly bleak
Have preached social justice and inequality to the point where only a black nanosexual quadriplegic tranny can be their party's nominee
They will continue to get slaughtered in off year elections due to turn out and the fact that Repubs have finally gotten better at local GOTV efforts
National outlook for Dems is incredibly bleak
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:01 am to Magician2
the problem with how the DEMs have structured their policy ethos is that they COULD both appeal to the marginalized of both economic and identity classes. Bernie actually came somewhat close to this, but even Bernie ran into issues with BLM on the campaign
the DEMs could have hit their traditional points on working/lower class economic issues as the key policy point to aide the marginalized in BOTH areas. this is what Bill Clinton did pretty brilliantly in the early 90s ("it's the economy, stupid") and it is a variable strategy that can apply to non-economic areas/issues/groups
instead, they've drifted into the woods of esoteric identity politics that alienates white working class voters (Who are often more socially conservative than their urban, economically superior counterparts). this policy also creates a confusion of policy because nobody is actually sure what the goals/policies of this ideology is, exactly
so they alienate a former lock down voting bloc while confusing regular folks and only appealing to the most extreme of voters
what's scary for the GOP is that the DEMs still CAN go back to an "economic justice" platform and they likely have not alienated their voting blocs so much that they would refuse to listen to the new policy. what's good for the GOP is that the DEMs, as a whole, don't seem really gung ho about shifting (and many believe their election failures are a signal to go MORE extreme)
the DEMs could have hit their traditional points on working/lower class economic issues as the key policy point to aide the marginalized in BOTH areas. this is what Bill Clinton did pretty brilliantly in the early 90s ("it's the economy, stupid") and it is a variable strategy that can apply to non-economic areas/issues/groups
instead, they've drifted into the woods of esoteric identity politics that alienates white working class voters (Who are often more socially conservative than their urban, economically superior counterparts). this policy also creates a confusion of policy because nobody is actually sure what the goals/policies of this ideology is, exactly
so they alienate a former lock down voting bloc while confusing regular folks and only appealing to the most extreme of voters
what's scary for the GOP is that the DEMs still CAN go back to an "economic justice" platform and they likely have not alienated their voting blocs so much that they would refuse to listen to the new policy. what's good for the GOP is that the DEMs, as a whole, don't seem really gung ho about shifting (and many believe their election failures are a signal to go MORE extreme)
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree with you.
Schumer’s “Better Deal” blueprint, which is discussed briefly in the article, has an awful lot of plagerism to how Trump is approaching the economy. They’re some stark contrasts in it but some of it was word for word points Trump has addressed.
I just don’t see how the Dems can constructively create a platform to win now and in the future while going so hard at identity politics. You put it a lot better than me though.
Schumer’s “Better Deal” blueprint, which is discussed briefly in the article, has an awful lot of plagerism to how Trump is approaching the economy. They’re some stark contrasts in it but some of it was word for word points Trump has addressed.
I just don’t see how the Dems can constructively create a platform to win now and in the future while going so hard at identity politics. You put it a lot better than me though.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:15 am to Magician2
I don’t see how they are going to do it either because they think they are playing the long game through identity politics.
They say that whites will no longer be a majority but a plurality in X number of years. Except that whites will still be a majority in almost all states. Hispanics and blacks will tend to be super-concentrated in a few states like California that they are already winning.
Winning a majority of the popular vote doesn’t mean shite for them unless they can win the electoral vote or make the multi-state compact a reality.
They say that whites will no longer be a majority but a plurality in X number of years. Except that whites will still be a majority in almost all states. Hispanics and blacks will tend to be super-concentrated in a few states like California that they are already winning.
Winning a majority of the popular vote doesn’t mean shite for them unless they can win the electoral vote or make the multi-state compact a reality.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:15 am to Lima Whiskey
they can't have it both ways. their identity politics requires them to say that working class white people are racist
you can't call them racists, sexists, white supremacists, white nationalists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, islamaphobes, anti semitic, etc. while at the same time appealing to them.
one or the other
you can't call them racists, sexists, white supremacists, white nationalists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, islamaphobes, anti semitic, etc. while at the same time appealing to them.
one or the other
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:17 am to Magician2
I think the picture is awesome.
I mean, they even have Stalin looking over Nancy's shoulder.
How appropriate.
I mean, they even have Stalin looking over Nancy's shoulder.
How appropriate.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:21 am to Magician2
You can spot the problem right away in having Pelosi and Chuck look like FDR and Eleanor 
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:23 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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No self respecting white will vote D for a generation after 2016.
I don't know about that. Once these Republican policies kick in and everyone starts realizing that the Republicans are moving us into a master-peasant society, someone might feel betrayed.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:24 am to Magician2
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-identity politics can still be at the forefront along economical issues
I'm sorry, but we need to campaign completely against Identity Politics. Over the past year I have come to the conclusion that it is the root of almost all evil since the Industrial Revolution. Even the Civil Rights Movement where they capitalized on Black Identity Politics was solely in response to White Identity Politics, so it was fighting fire with fire. And those identity politics have been completely detrimental to the black community.
We need to start treating people as individuals rather than group, because groups can justify horrible actions against individuals if there's any possible way it can benefit a group.
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-talked up Sharrod Brown as a possible 2020 nominee; pro gun control, pro choice, pro gay, socialist like mentality, increase minimum wage, etc
While I haven't heard this name mentioned before as possible 2020 nominees, it's actually a somewhat decent choice for Democrats. Their problem is the Rust Belt, and Elizabeth Warren or Kamela Harris don't stand a chance in taking it. They need to be solely focused on the Rust Belt in 2020 due to how much they fricked it all up.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:24 am to Magician2
What I’ve learned from the Democrat Party in word and deed over the past 30 years or so.
1) Their “Big Tent” is not big enough for me, and I am unwanted in their attendance
2) Nothing is ever their doing, but all the Republicans fault.
3) Who they hate, and who they blame is very well known, but what their plans are to deal with it substinatively is still one big mystery of the universe.
1) Their “Big Tent” is not big enough for me, and I am unwanted in their attendance
2) Nothing is ever their doing, but all the Republicans fault.
3) Who they hate, and who they blame is very well known, but what their plans are to deal with it substinatively is still one big mystery of the universe.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:26 am to Magician2
I don't see how Dems pull this off. It would take a Barack Obama (circa 2008) level talent to bridge the huge chasm that has been created by Bernie and by identity politics that they've played for the past 6 years.
Bernie Sanders is one of the best things that ever happened to #MAGA because he drove a chasm wider than the Rio Grande into the Democrat party. There is no reconciling the Clinton/Terry McAulliffe neoliberals with the Bernie / Shaun King / Linda Sarsour SJW wing of the party. No way, no how - at least not against Trump (who knows how to exploit their weakness).
Either the Dems court white voters in 2020 and lose the millennials and vocal far-left, or they engage the far-left and millennials and continue to lose working class whites.
Bernie Sanders is one of the best things that ever happened to #MAGA because he drove a chasm wider than the Rio Grande into the Democrat party. There is no reconciling the Clinton/Terry McAulliffe neoliberals with the Bernie / Shaun King / Linda Sarsour SJW wing of the party. No way, no how - at least not against Trump (who knows how to exploit their weakness).
Either the Dems court white voters in 2020 and lose the millennials and vocal far-left, or they engage the far-left and millennials and continue to lose working class whites.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:30 am to SirWinston
Agreed. Had Bernie been a minority he likely kicks Hillary's arse. This notion that that the Dems will swing back to working class white folks is pretty far fetched at this point.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:33 am to Magician2
It’s not even close to just identity politics that’s hurting the Left.
The Left can’t argue or debate on actual facts anymore. There simply aren’t enough supporting their ideologies and beliefs.
And when they are shown to be wrong and their talking points are proven destructive or even depraved and intellectually dishonest, they resort to using labels as a weapon to deny reality and avoid admitting they’re wrong.
The Left suffers from textbook superiority complex. Using labels and identity is simply the coping mechanism to avoid accepting failure.
People aren’t just getting sick of being called a racist or bigot, they’re also sick of watching pompous egocentric douchebags consistently be dishonest in the face of facts and obvious reality.
The Left can’t argue or debate on actual facts anymore. There simply aren’t enough supporting their ideologies and beliefs.
And when they are shown to be wrong and their talking points are proven destructive or even depraved and intellectually dishonest, they resort to using labels as a weapon to deny reality and avoid admitting they’re wrong.
The Left suffers from textbook superiority complex. Using labels and identity is simply the coping mechanism to avoid accepting failure.
People aren’t just getting sick of being called a racist or bigot, they’re also sick of watching pompous egocentric douchebags consistently be dishonest in the face of facts and obvious reality.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:35 am to Magician2
I say, "GO FOR IT!!!!!!"
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:36 am to SirWinston
quote:
I don't see how Dems pull this off. It would take a Barack Obama (circa 2008) level talent to bridge the huge chasm that has been created by Bernie and by identity politics that they've played for the past 6 years.
I don't really think Bernie is all that responsible for the divide that is in this country. He just went after the 1% and corporations, which Democrats have been talking about that shite for a while.
I blame Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, and Barrack Obama for this shite. If you don't vote for Hillary, you're a sexist. If you don't like Black Lives Matter, then you're a racist. Hey let me stand on the grave of this 17 year old and say if I had a son it would have been him. Let's call 25% of the country a basket of deplorables. Stronger Together, right?
These 3 assholes assumed they won the culture war and to speak out against it was borderline treason. Bernie did speak out against it, and Hillary has blamed him for her loss for staying in the race too long... even though in 2008 she stayed in until fricking June when it was apparent months before she wasn't going to be the nominee in hopes that he would go the way of Bobby Kennedy. I'm not making that up, Hillary really said that: LINK
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