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re: WSJ: Trump Not Rebuilding Military

Posted on 7/13/25 at 1:05 am to
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2262 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 1:05 am to
No, never been to Moody or Warner Robbins. I spent my whole career overseas until I got to Eglin and separated. I've been in the test squadron at Eglin ever since.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141795 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 1:30 am to
When my dad rotated off the Thunderbirds he got "base of choice" - really bases of choice. He had 4 or 5 on his list.

When the orders came though, I saw them on the cabinet. I took a peep and started yelling and freaking out. My folks both looked at me and said, "we thought you would be disappointed?" I said, "Hell naw, I already have at least 4 friends at Eglin and I want to live on the beach".

My mom said, you need to read that again.

My jaw hit the ground at what I saw. I told them both to frick off that there was no way I was going back overseas in the middle of high school.

They both called me a dumbass and said, you aren't going to England the country, you are going to England AFB in a placed called Alexandria LA.

try moving from Las Vegas after the 10th grade to go to Alexandria, LA. it was more of culture shock than going from MS to Germany.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2262 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 1:46 am to
I loved England, I was at Lakenheath for awhile. Its a lot different there now then when I was there. It would be tough on a kid moving in the middle of HS. It is a bit of a culture shock and takes awhile to get comfortable.I like to travel and see historical stuff, so that was really cool when i was overseas. I was always going somewhere when i lived overseas. I like Vegas but I have to take it in small doses. After about two weeks I'm ready to leave. I was never stationed there but I have spent several months there a few times. I still have to go out there occasionally but usually for only a week or two.
This post was edited on 7/13/25 at 1:51 am
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141795 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 2:00 am to
to be honest it wasn't that difficult adjusting as a kid. moving was normal to me.

it really helped being reunited with old friends a few years later in a different part of the world.

my parents best friends had a daughter same age as me. we went to school together at Columbus AFB, Ramstein, and Seymour. we were very close and by the time I caught up to her in Germany she had become a smoke show. she was always about 6 months ahead of us on rotation so she was already settled with a big friend group. she always talked me up, so it was easy to make friends.

the last two moves were a little more rough because we lived off base and I wasn't around other base kids that understand to life of DoDD kid. but it still wasn't that hard.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34953 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 3:14 am to
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We’re falling behind and fast. The Burke, even the Flight III’s, are maxed out versions of 1970’s and 80’s designs. We can’t get a new class of ships to production in any meaningful sense for more than a generation.


Over the last 20 years we have spent over 10 trillion more than the next 10 countries combined.

Trillion with a 'T'. How in the frick are we falling behind?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35897 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 4:59 am to
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How in the frick are we falling behind?

Did you read my post?

We wasted almost all of that money at least as far as the Navy is concerned. Our shite is old and we aren’t replacing it fast enough.

Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53001 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 5:08 am to
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The 2026 request asks for a mere three U.S. Navy ships, though the fleet is 60 short of its goal to deter China.


Outside of strategic values of "presence" if we got into a shooting war with China there arent going to be any blue water naval battles like WW2. They will all be sunk with over the horizon missiles or drone torpedos. Theirs and ours
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 5:11 am to
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The B-2 bombers are nearly 30 years old, and the U.S. has only 19 of them in service.
The spend calls for a minimum of 100 B-21s. B-21s are similar to B-2s in performance, payload, and specs. But B-21s are fully autonomous capable, and are much cheaper to build.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34953 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 5:27 am to
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The spend calls for a minimum of 100 B-21s. B-21s are similar to B-2s in performance, payload, and specs.


I'm pretty sure the B21 will have half the payload of the B2.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 6:08 am to
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I'm pretty sure the B21 will have half the payload of the B2.
30K pounds as opposed to 40K. Both are capable of carrying the GBU-57A/B MOPs we just dropped on Iran.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6780 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 6:33 am to
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they expect Trump to do every single thing he said: immediately right now no delay this very second.

What they expect is not possible, but Trump said he was going to do it.

He may get it all done, but a lot of that day one stuff was not accomplished. DOGE hasn’t accomplished everything that they promised. DOGE has almost been a failure a lot of the stuff they accomplished was over turned.

It’s not that he won’t get it done, but a lot of the stuff he said he would get done by this point in his term is not finished.

BBB is not exactly what we thought it was going to be. There’s a lot of Senators and Congressman that don’t even know what’s in the bill. It was 870 pages and they didn’t have time to read the revisions by Trumps 7/4 deadline. In interviews John Cornyn and Chuck Grassley said they didn’t know the gambling tax deduction provision was added to the final bill.

What else is in the BBB they don’t know was added?
This post was edited on 7/13/25 at 6:37 am
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32525 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 6:40 am to
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BBB is not exactly what we thought it was going to be.


Huh? The name screams bloated.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6780 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 6:44 am to
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Huh? The name screams bloated.

Big Bloated Bill?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35897 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 10:05 am to
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Much less the F47 or SR72.

Neither of these are beyond the prototype stage. It’ll be a decade or more before either is produced in relevant numbers.

Our R&D Isn’t the problem. The problem is that it takes us far too long to produce the damned things. The 22 was designed in the 80’s and then we shut down production so there’s only like 100 of them, and it took a full generation to get the 35 into mass production.

That’s just too long. The army is no better. There won’t be an Abrams (another maxed out 50 year old design) replacement for at least twenty years, and they spent the past decade spending billions developing the M10 that no one asked for and no one wants
This post was edited on 7/13/25 at 10:11 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35897 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 10:07 am to
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They will all be sunk with over the horizon missiles or drone torpedos. Theirs and ours

Who do you think fires these things?

Ships and subs.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9662 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:13 am to
frick the “There shall be open borders” WSJ. They don't give a shite about Americans.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52687 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:33 am to
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Muh Epstein

The reason we are in this plight is because we are governed ny NWO perverts.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52687 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Do you want massive aircraft carriers, destroyers, etc? Those will be obsolete in the future. Cargo ships are fine.

They are already obsolete. China would destroy them all during the first week of a war.

We have almost no tolerance for casualties. Our soldiers should all be drones, except for the operators who can be in hardened infrastructure and a few thousand special forces.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2262 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 2:43 pm to
Hahaha....the have been flying the F47 for years. The competition wasn't for Boeing or Lockheed to design and build a jet. The USAF designed and built the prototype. The competition was for them to mass produce what the USAF designed.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2262 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 2:54 pm to
The U.S. has 11 aircraft carriers the next country would be China with 3. It takes China and 4 other countries to equal the U.S. The U.S. has 80 destroyers. Next on the list is China with 50. Then there is a huge drop off. Submarines is where China and Russia compete in numbers but the U.S. again has better subs. The air forces are not close. The U.S. is far more advanced with much larger numbers.
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