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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No one has contradicted it yet, including you
So, you have nothing to support your beliefs? If nothing else- you are consistent.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:00 pm to Prodigal Son
Sure I do, but when I read things like...
...it shows me that you aren't worth serious discussion.
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Why do we have laws?
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What if… God is real? What if the Bible is true? What if all of those logically consistent, plausible and rational explanations to all of your contrived, context-less arguments… actually turn out to be correct? What if… your own pride, arrogance, and selfish desire to be the god of your own life- is literally the only thing preventing you from seeing it?
...it shows me that you aren't worth serious discussion.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye
You still haven’t proved God does not exist
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:03 pm to texag7
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You still haven’t proved God does not exist
Correct, and I don't need to prove it any more than I need to prove there isn't a meatball sub running the moon.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:No, you're the one pretending that morality is entirely subjective while acting in your life as if it is objective.
No, you're trying to pretend that having a consistent authority backing your subjective views changes anything.
It doesn't.
And having God as the objective source of morality does change everything. You cannot act consistently within your own worldview because it is irrational.
quote:Again, you don't understand what the terms mean.
Authority doesn't mean objective.
quote:No, my moral standard is based on what God has said it should be.
Your moral standard is based on your interpretation of what others have told you is your god's moral standard.
Subjective.
Objective.
quote:No, we have objective morality that comes from the source of all that is morally good. God's character is the standard for objective morality.
It isn't.[/quite]It is.
[quote]Yes, we do. That's all that we can have.
quote:Yes, I do.
No, you don't.
quote:It's what God claims, and He is the objective source of truth.
Right, that's your subjective claim.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
You just need to talk about God constantly in any related thread to show us you don’t care
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:08 pm to FooManChoo
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No, you're the one pretending that morality is entirely subjective while acting in your life as if it is objective.
Incorrect.
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And having God as the objective source of morality does change everything.
It doesn't. You have a claim, and nothing more.
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Again, you don't understand what the terms mean.
Authority doesn't mean objective.
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No, my moral standard is based on what God has said it should be.
Objective.
Your moral standard is based on your interpretation of what others have told you is your god's moral standard.
Subjective.
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No, we have objective morality that comes from the source of all that is morally good. God's character is the standard for objective morality.
We have subjective morality, and nothing more.
You don't know your god's character. You know what others have told you it is.
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Yes, I do.
No, you don't.
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It's what God claims, and He is the objective source of truth.
Says who?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:09 pm to texag7
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You just need to talk about God constantly in any related thread to show us you don’t care
Who says I don't care?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:It isn't.
It is.
quote:It doesn't terrify me at all, for two primary reasons. First, it doesn't terrify me because objective purpose and meaning does exist and we can know what it is by reading God's word. And second, if there were no objective meaning or purpose in life, it wouldn't be scary because then I could create my own meaningless meaning and purposeless purpose like irrational atheists like yourself do, and I can live inconsistently within my worldview like you do, all to die a pointless death and go into nothingness. Not so scary.
...and that terrifies you. That fear is ultimately keeps you with your version of god.
You are still operating under the false notion that I believe what I do because of fear.
quote:People ask atheists that because atheists ask things like "what if there is no God?" as well as "what if you're wrong?"
This is why people ask atheists idiotic questions like "what if you're wrong."
Actually, I take that back. You wouldn't ask such a thing; you would just say it.
quote:There is no objective meaning for anyone without God. If God didn't exist, "finding meaning" would be meaningless because there would be no real meaning to find. All we would find is some sort of personal motivation to go about surviving in an indifferent universe with no truth and no morality other than what we arbitrarily define for ourselves.
Nonsense, and I pity people like you who can't find meaning without your flavor of religion.
Your pity means nothing.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I'm sure he has. Bahnsen was teaching this stuff for decades before he died in the 90's, and he learned it from Van Til, who was teaching this stuff before Craig was born. And the Bible laid the foundation for it thousands of years ago.
So has Craig, coincidentally.
So no, I haven't stolen anything from Craig. You should find another point to nitpick, because you're definitely not going to win this one
quote:Link?
Yes.
quote:No, I said what I meant.
What you meant was adaptation.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:16 pm to Snipe
I would imagine 68% of the country would do a good job standing up for themselves.
Unless the government went denomination by denomination then they’re then eachother in
Unless the government went denomination by denomination then they’re then eachother in
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:18 pm to Snipe
All of you voting up and posting are falling right into this feds trap!
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:20 pm to FooManChoo
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It isn't.
It is.
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It doesn't terrify me at all
Yes it does. The idea that we're just another animal on the planet scares the shite out of the kind of people most susceptible to the lies sold by religion.
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People ask atheists that because atheists ask things like "what if there is no God?" as well as "what if you're wrong?"
No, they don't. They ask because they believe that if I'm wrong, there will be consequences. Those consequences are meant to create fear. It works on primitive minds.
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There is no objective meaning for anyone without God.
There is no objective meaning for anyone with a god.
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Your pity means nothing.
Of course. You still have it.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:21 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm sure he has.
He has, coincidentally.
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No, I said what I meant.
K, but adaptation is what it is.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:25 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
...it shows me that you aren't worth serious discussion.
Yeah. I’m sure that’s it.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Absolutely correct. Don't tell me that you don't have moral indignation for child sex trafficking or that others "should" also be indignant about it.
Incorrect.
Your worldview precludes the moral "ought".
quote:I have the truth. You have nothing but personal opinions, and necessarily so.
It doesn't. You have a claim, and nothing more.
quote:Again, you don't understand what the terms mean.
Authority doesn't mean objective.
quote:No, my moral standard is based on what God has said it should be.
Your moral standard is based on your interpretation of what others have told you is your god's moral standard.
Subjective.
Objective.
quote:No, we have objective morality that comes from the source of all that is morally good. God's character is the standard for objective morality.
We have subjective morality, and nothing more.
You don't know your god's character. You know what others have told you it is.
quote:Yes, I do.
No, you don't.
quote:Says God, the creator of all things and the objective source of truth.
Says who?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:34 pm to Prodigal Son
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Yeah. I’m sure that’s it.
It is, but it's only part of it.
I also won't have serious discussions with alter accounts.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:It isn't.
It is.
quote:No, it doesn't. I know my own emotions.
Yes it does. The idea that we're just another animal on the planet scares the shite out of the kind of people most susceptible to the lies sold by religion.
Falsehood doesn't scare me because I know the truth. The truth should make you afraid, though, because you have rejected the only source of salvation for your soul. I really do hope you repent of your rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I honestly don't want you to suffer for eternity for your cosmic treason against the King of the universe.
quote:Even the most intellectually astute minds like yours (
No, they don't. They ask because they believe that if I'm wrong, there will be consequences. Those consequences are meant to create fear. It works on primitive minds.
) are not free from consequences. quote:With "a god", sure, but with God, yes, there is objective meaning. In fact, there's objective meaning for everyone--even you--because God does exist and He has revealed meaning for mankind. It's there even if you deny and reject it.
There is no objective meaning for anyone with a god.
quote:More proof that you are acting irrationally. You act as if your own pity has some sort of meaning when it doesn't within your worldview.
Of course. You still have it.
My pity for you has meaning, because you are made in the image of God and were created to worship your creator. Your destruction--if you do not repent and put your trust in the saving work of Jesus Christ--saddens me because of your objective status as image bearer of God.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:35 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Many people say and do many things that originate from a common source. It doesn't mean I am copying Craig, as you assert. Like I said, I've seen very little of his work and he is not unique in what he does.
He has, coincidentally.
quote:Nah.
K, but adaptation is what it is.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:36 pm to Champagne
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Foo, would you explain to the folks your contention and belief that the Earth and the Universe are both roughly Six Thousand years old, please? I think it's relevant to the issue of whether anybody should take anything you think seriously.
FooLaneCraig / FooHam believes Homo Erectus was the representative human population at the Tower of Babel about 4000 years ago. He believes that dinosaurs were on Noah’s ark and that Tyrannosaurus rex was a plant eater until the flood.
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