re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?

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I've never said otherwise. You're the only one with an issue accepting reality.

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You cannot act consistently within your own moral framework.

Reality is that you contradict yourself every time you have a judgmental thought or word because your moral relativism and subjective moral framework doesn’t allow for meaningful statements about right and wrong.

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Subjective morality isn't meaningless.

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It certainly is. Subjective morality is nothing more than opinion and personal preference. There is nothing more meaningless than your opinions.

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No, you don't. You have claimed that you have divine authority on your side. As a result, your praise or condemnation has no actual meaning.

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Yes I do. God provides meaning because He created us with purpose.

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You either don’t know what that word means or you are willfully misusing it to try to win some debate points. Either way, you are exhibiting what the blindness of the human spiritual condition looks like without the Spirit of God. It is truly sad.

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Yawn.

Here you go, Craig:

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understand what God is telling us through that revelation

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See if that helps.

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Yeah, awhile back he tried to pawn some of Craig's apologetics off as his own. He wasn't very happy when he got caught and I called him on it.

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I have engaged very little with Craig's work. I utilize presuppositional apologetical methodology, which was popularized by Van Til and later by his pupil Greg Bahnsen. I believe Craig also utilizes some presuppositional apologetics in his work but I'm not a fan of Craig overall due to his Molonist beliefs, which undermine his presuppositional views.

I'm sorry if you're only familiar with Craig, but hopefully you'll take some time to look into other Christian apologists to avoid the confusion going forward.

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All of my fellow Roman Catholics, please take heed of Foo's Christian Doctrine here. It is shared by MANY of his fellow Protestants - the believe that Catholics are NOT Christians.

Thank you, Foo, for clarifying this issue for us all.

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You were unclear about my view before? I've said as much about Catholicism teaching a false gospel many times before.

I noticed that you didn't quote the rest of what I said in this post, so I'll do it for you:

I have to differentiate between "Catholics" and "the Roman Catholic church" for this very reason, as I believe there are many Catholics who are saved in spite of what the church they adhere to teaches.

I think I've been clear that I don't believe all Catholics are apostate reprobates, but only those that trust in the false gospel of works righteousness. I certainly think leaders (Priests, Cardinals, Popes, etc.) who profess to believe the false gospel whole-heartedly are not saved, even though they claim to be Christians.

There is a difference between the invisible (the elect/truly saved) and visible church (all professing Christians). All who are in the invisible church were, are, or will be in the visible church, but not everyone in the visible church are part of the invisible church. Many who say "Lord, Lord" will be told that Christ never knew them because they didn't belong to Him.

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By the way, Foo, do you still believe that the Universe is roughly Six Thousand years old?

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I'm not going to engage with you about this topic. I believe what the Westminster Confession of Faith summarizes regarding creation in chapter 4.

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Foo, would you explain to the folks your contention and belief that the Earth and the Universe are both roughly Six Thousand years old, please?

I think it's relevant to the issue of whether anybody should take anything you think seriously.

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I take the Bible seriously. More seriously than you do, it seems, since you are so quick to set man's words as a higher authority than God's written revelation.

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See if that helps.

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God's word is objective, not subjective. You still don't understand the different between objectivity and subjectivity.

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Consistent doesn't mean objective

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I'm calling out the lack of consistency in your worldview, which shows how bankrupt it is. You have no ability to be consistent because you were created by God in His image with an innate understanding of moral truth. You "know" right and wrong when you see it, at least on some level, yet you reject that morality exists in any sort of objective sense while you act as if others are "wrong" to believe and do what you think is "wrong".

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Authority doesn't mean objective.

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More proof you don't know what objectivity and subjectivity means in this discussion. No wonder you can't understand what's going on

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Your morality is subjective. You just try to dress it up with mythology.

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My moral standard is based on God's moral standard, which is objective and the only objective moral standard that human beings have access to.

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It isn't.

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It is.

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Subjective morality is what we have. If you want to argue that it's meaningless, go for it, but you're arguing my point for me

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We don't just have subjective morality. We have an objective moral standard to make judgements by, and we understand this innately, which is why everyone "knows" right and wrong when they see and experience it, even if they deny it like you do. You still make moral judgements and act as if those judgements are meaningful.

I'm not arguing your point for you. I'm rejecting your argument altogether.

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No, you don't. You have "it means something because I claim my god says it means something."

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Yes I do.

It means something because God says it means something.

I find it interesting that you act as if only your arbitrary claims mean something.

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It's not a coincidence.

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I know. That's why it's so easy to defeat. It isn't new and it isn't convincing.

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there isn't much of anything "new" over the past 2,000 years other than clarity

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"Clarity."

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I know. That's why it's so easy to defeat. It isn't new and it isn't convincing.

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I've been utilizing this methodology for a long time. You've "defeated" it? Link please.

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"Clarity."

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Just because you're spiritually blinded doesn't mean others don't have greater clarity.

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God's word isn't mere opinion

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It is.

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You believe that there is no objective meaning or purpose in this life

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...and that terrifies you. That fear is ultimately keeps you with your version of god.

This is why people ask atheists idiotic questions like "what if you're wrong."

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There is no point to what you're doing if what you believe is true.

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Nonsense, and I pity people like you who can't find meaning without your flavor of religion.