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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:48 pm to Snipe
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:48 pm to Snipe
In all honesty there isn't much that I support this federal government on at this time.
The Fed seems to be full of wastrels, thieves, authoritarians, and degenerates for the most part.
The Fed seems to be full of wastrels, thieves, authoritarians, and degenerates for the most part.
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:17 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:
Squirrelmeister
My friend- your
Christian
Derangement
Syndrome
… is showing (again).
Your post reads like that of a jaded 12 yr old. You really can’t help yourself, can you?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:40 am to rpg37
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Of course 99% of people are going to support any religion over being killed by their government. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
Well 25% of the people voting in this poll wouldn't care to get involved and let christians die or be attacked by the government so I'm very confident you're wrong about 99% supporting religions people.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:44 am to faraway
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if you wanna come back for the 1000 year kingdom, let them kill you for being a Christian
His kingdom will have no end.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:54 am to jeffsdad
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I think everyone would be surprised at the percentage of the population that would either participate, support and not care and stand and watch if there were a Christian massacre. I'd guess about 25-30% would be in this group. easily.
This is true, likely more to be honest. The groups you have IMO are in order of percentages from top to bottom.
1) those that actively despise Christians and would support persecutions.
2) Those who profess to be Christians but will fall away when the threat of real hostilities come to them.
3) Those who don't care and as long as they themselves are not targeted will go on about their lives without much care for anything else.
4) non Christians who would take up the cross and support Christians and even become Christians in most senses.
5) True believing Christians that will sacrifice everything for Jesus and never turn their backs on Him Glory, unto death.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:56 am to Snipe
I think they're just downvoting to be funny or to provide negative feedback to an absurd scenario.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:57 am to LatherZap
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I would stand against the government. But while Christians may now be the one religion it is "acceptable" to disrespect, this is not government against Christians, it is government against free thought.
No vote here, I think focusing on Christianity is misguided. Christians aren't the only ones to NOT be swept up by the latest woke instructions.
Here's the problem.
You're talking to a bunch of populists.
They do not extract the inherent principle in a question (as you just did here) and act accordingly.
They like Christianity, so they would stand up for Christians.
If the OP had asked about Muslims or Wiccans instead of Christians, 80% of them would side with the government because they don't like those groups.
It would not ever occur to them—not once—that condoning the government persecuting a group that they don't like would open the door to persecuting a group that they do like. If you pointed it out to them it would have no effect whatsoever. They would simply appeal to ridicule and say something about muh conservative principles.
Better yet, instead of substituting Muslims or Wiccans for Christians, substitute BLM or Antifa members. Now we're talking about 95% of populists siding with the government. If they are honest.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:58 am to rpg37
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I think they're just downvoting to be funny or to provide negative feedback to an absurd scenario.
I don't think so.
I think the majority of the downvotes are from populists who happen to be atheists.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:00 am to Powerman
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Do you think this is a plausible scenario anytime soon? Because it seems a rather absurd question to ponder.
Five or ten years ago, there was a lot of what’s going on in this country I considered far off and absurd. We all did, and yet here we are.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:02 am to Squirrelmeister
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Several posters on this site will explain to you that killing babies en masse is justified and morally good as long as God told them to do it.
Do me a favor and define the word "God" in that sentence you just typed.
If you define it as it is used in the Bible, then those posters are self-evidently correct. Obviously so.
If you define it otherwise, then you don't really have a basis for discussion with those posters, do you? First thing you have to do in a philosophical discussion is define and agree on terms used.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:12 am to Snipe
God, Family, Country.
True Christians are a small minority in this country, but we are a troublesome lot. Regardless, the government declaring war on Christians is the government declaring war on citizens, so yeah, it would probably be war for me.
True Christians are a small minority in this country, but we are a troublesome lot. Regardless, the government declaring war on Christians is the government declaring war on citizens, so yeah, it would probably be war for me.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:13 am to Snipe
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You can’t have both,
Which is why I dont understand Christians wanting to affect change at the national level regarding politics.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:15 am to Powerman
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Do you think this is a plausible scenario anytime soon? Because it seems a rather absurd question to ponder
You mean like making biblical versus hate speech and an arrest able offense was a few years ago?
You mean like grown men, dressing as women and shaking their barely covered penis in a child’s face was 6 or 7 years ago?
You mean like American Citizens being rounded up and jailed for being near a mostly peaceful protest was 4 years ago?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is why I dont understand Christians wanting to affect change at the national level regarding politics.
I don't think he was stating that as an absolute principle.
I think he was stating it as a condition of his hypothetical.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:20 am to wackatimesthree
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I don't think he was stating that as an absolute principle.
Its not, but when I see people talking about God saving this country, or taking the government back under Christian principles I laugh a bit.
Its not our world.
We need some splits, we will never be able to unite.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:23 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:31 am to Powerman
There are several things we are having to ponder that would've seemed absurd 10 years ago
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:39 am to Snipe
I'm not entering into this conversation because I don't want it to turn into a thread where Catholic-bashing ensues.
The OP's premise left out the fact that many Evangelicals do not consider Roman Catholics to be Christians. As such, if the US Govt went after Catholics, Catholics may not find themselves on the same side of the equation with the Evangelicals.
The OP's premise left out the fact that many Evangelicals do not consider Roman Catholics to be Christians. As such, if the US Govt went after Catholics, Catholics may not find themselves on the same side of the equation with the Evangelicals.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:41 am to Snipe
As I understand the 'Government' vs Religion (Christianity) principle upon which this Nation (Government) was Founded, the ideological essence of such a Religious-based Government is the idea that "inalienable Rights from God" do in fact exist, and that said Rights are defined in the Bill of Rights and codified/and protected via the Constitution/Constitutional Republic.
If a populous (Democratic) 'Government' attempts to nullify those Rights, and the people who claim said Rights then embrace the ideological 'remedies' (justifiable rebellion, of the sort upon which the Nation was originally Founded) for such a democratic usurpation/tyranny, then the hypothetical scenario wherein the OP imagines becomes reality. And the question therein valid and absolutely definitive as such relates to the basic unity/disunity of the Nation/populous.
Christians know that the current 'Government' (Dem Deep State Ruling Class) are definitely attempting to destroy the Constitutional Principle of "inalienable Rights from God" via a pure Democracy ("mob rule") and form a Global Authoritarian State. I.e., Transnational Progressivism. And they do so believing that they serve "the common welfare" toward ending the traditional warfare version of competition for societal governmental dominance, and replacing such with DEI version wherein Equity negates competition (warfare). They likely do so on the moral/practical impetus that Humanity can - given high tech - no longer afford the now suicidal enterprise of war.
The above argument/idea is why a lot of 'Conservatives' (I.e., people who believe in the Constitutional Principle of "God-given, inalienable Rights) become intellectually neutered when they get to DC and face the Transnational Progressive ideological idea.
IMO, I think we progress right up to the precipice of international WWIII and a guaranteed suicide or at the least massive and calamitous human depopulation...or...we embrace said Transnational Progressivism/DEI. At that point, those who reject the Christian Values of Secular Humanist (Pagan?) TP will indeed become enemies of Humanity, and fair game for the Authoritarians who impose (likely via Cancel Culture) Authoritarian control for the sake of Humanity. To the degree that Christians or any Religion fights back, they will be met with equal and lethal means. That is 'End Times' stuff to a T.
It's coming. The Vision ofTruth will indeed "descend in the clouds". And Humanity will learn the final lesson which is required for extraordinary untiy and prosperity. Such lesson being that we indeed exist in a Spiritual Universe and that given the (Spiritual) Power of Evil, we can not overcome such minus the appointed Savior of Humanity, Jesus Christ. I know that is ludicrous to Secular non-believers or even those who embrace different Religious ideology (hegemonic/violent-means Muslims at the fore), but I believe it is the ultimate Truth. "Every kneE (edit) will bow". Guess we'll know pretty quick.
Lord have mercy on all who love, and seek Truth as a basis for their love.
If a populous (Democratic) 'Government' attempts to nullify those Rights, and the people who claim said Rights then embrace the ideological 'remedies' (justifiable rebellion, of the sort upon which the Nation was originally Founded) for such a democratic usurpation/tyranny, then the hypothetical scenario wherein the OP imagines becomes reality. And the question therein valid and absolutely definitive as such relates to the basic unity/disunity of the Nation/populous.
Christians know that the current 'Government' (Dem Deep State Ruling Class) are definitely attempting to destroy the Constitutional Principle of "inalienable Rights from God" via a pure Democracy ("mob rule") and form a Global Authoritarian State. I.e., Transnational Progressivism. And they do so believing that they serve "the common welfare" toward ending the traditional warfare version of competition for societal governmental dominance, and replacing such with DEI version wherein Equity negates competition (warfare). They likely do so on the moral/practical impetus that Humanity can - given high tech - no longer afford the now suicidal enterprise of war.
The above argument/idea is why a lot of 'Conservatives' (I.e., people who believe in the Constitutional Principle of "God-given, inalienable Rights) become intellectually neutered when they get to DC and face the Transnational Progressive ideological idea.
IMO, I think we progress right up to the precipice of international WWIII and a guaranteed suicide or at the least massive and calamitous human depopulation...or...we embrace said Transnational Progressivism/DEI. At that point, those who reject the Christian Values of Secular Humanist (Pagan?) TP will indeed become enemies of Humanity, and fair game for the Authoritarians who impose (likely via Cancel Culture) Authoritarian control for the sake of Humanity. To the degree that Christians or any Religion fights back, they will be met with equal and lethal means. That is 'End Times' stuff to a T.
It's coming. The Vision ofTruth will indeed "descend in the clouds". And Humanity will learn the final lesson which is required for extraordinary untiy and prosperity. Such lesson being that we indeed exist in a Spiritual Universe and that given the (Spiritual) Power of Evil, we can not overcome such minus the appointed Savior of Humanity, Jesus Christ. I know that is ludicrous to Secular non-believers or even those who embrace different Religious ideology (hegemonic/violent-means Muslims at the fore), but I believe it is the ultimate Truth. "Every kneE (edit) will bow". Guess we'll know pretty quick.
Lord have mercy on all who love, and seek Truth as a basis for their love.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:05 am to Squirrelmeister
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No, I would not support the genocide of a group of people, but the same can’t be said for Christians who constantly rationalize and legitimize the mass slaughter and genocide of Midianites, Jerichoans, and other Canaanites including their children and babies as described in the Bible.
Jesus essentially nullified a lot of the Old Testament, traditional historical religious theology, Sm. His incendiary and seditious ideas (HE, being THE Son of God at the fore) is why he was hung out to dry. His new 'Theology' threated both the Religious and Political status quo. Still does. But it won't be Christians that depopulate Humanity, it will be non-believers who view Humans as having no Divine origin, and therein, having no more innate value than any other temporal entity.
It all comes down to whether or not 'Energy' is Self Aware, on a universal level. We are, for damn sure. The question is whether - as Einstein suspected and sought to 'prove' - that said Energy is indeed unified in a way that IS far too complex for relatively simple Entities to comprehend. Quantum Physics now indicates that such an absolute unity does indeed exists. Whether of not said Energy is Self Aware (as we are proof that Energy CAN/IS) is the definitive question. And one that will likely be answered pretty soon.
Go get em'.
(another edit, if need to read this stuff before hitting submit
)This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:13 am to gmac8604
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True Christians do not condone the slaughter of others.
That’s kind of a fallacy, but I’ll agree with you that morally-good Christian’s don’t condone the slaughter of innocent babies. It’s just that some Christians, who claim to be “true Christians”, who would maybe refer to you as “not a real Christian”, actually do justify the killing of children and babies en masse when they believe God said to do it.
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