re: Would more people have lived if hospitals weren't so quick to put them on ventilators?

We know who rewrites history.

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"Initially we were intubating fairly quickly on these patients as they began to have more respiratory distress," said Robert Hart, the hospital system's chief medical officer. "Over time what we learned is trying not to do that."

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Kinda blows holes in your "we only did it as a last resort" assertion, now doesn't it?

I have a lunch to attend, have a good one.

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Yes, when I add other statements...

No one is white knighting for the medical community... Were mistakes made, yes...It was a new disease we were dealing with, and once we realized how to treat it, we had less issues with people dying...

I've been a respiratory therapist for 34 years. I was knee deep in that shite for over a year at it's peak. I don't need a bunch of Poli-board Monday morning quarterbacks trying to tell me how shite should've been done.

All of y'all who think it was ventilators that killed pts are a bunch of idiots, those people would've died anyway. It's funny, you don't hear the stories of how many lives were saved because of ventilators.

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This is the attitude that people are tired of from the medial community. COVID was a failure and no one is going to listen to quibbling, excuses, or lectures. Not once has the public received a mea culpa. Just excuses and a few declarations that there must be a pandemic amnesty. No one is going for that.

The shot did not protect people from getting the "virus", and it did not prevent the transmission of it either. Regardless... don't get any more of these toxic jabs please.

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Would more people have lived if hospitals weren't so quick to put them on ventilators?

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Y'all will think this is bullshite but I'll tell it anyway...

My MIL is bat shite crazy, morbidly obese, has all kinds of mental issues and delusional fantasies, is prone to substance abuse, is a compulsive liar, is diabetic and has major heart, lung and circulatory issues. She went down bad in January of 2001 with double lung pneumonia and Delta variant Covid. At the local hospital (which pretty much sucks and acts as basically a transfer station to bigger hospitals in OKC or Tulsa), they put her in a bed, wouldn't even bring out a ventilator, and put her on an IV drip of saline and an Ivermectin compound, and she walked out of the hospital on her own two feet three days later. Some locals tried to criticize and cancel the doctor for "going rogue" by using IVM, but the results of doing so put their criticisms in the grave instead of their family members.

A cousin of mine, conversely, is younger (30s) and active with no health issues, and she went down with Delta around the same timeframe and was in a different state in a bigger hospital that wouldn't even dream of administering IVM even with her husband and parents BEGGING them to do so. They stuck her on a ventilator and the repeated bouts of pneumonia that developed and kept afflicting her, damn near did her in. After almost 6 months she was released but she nearly died multiple times and it's only through prayer and the power of GOD that she still lives.

So limited scope, sure. But my anecdotal perception is that Ivermectin was suppressed and actually worked, and ventilators were encouraged and ended up ultimately doing more harm than good. So.... why would the medical community have done something like that???... These people that made the ultimate decisions (on what to encourage and supress) should be suspended by the neck via gravity from tightly bound cordage until expiration.

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Dilute the saline with the H202

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You're not diluting the saline, you're diluting the h2o2...

This is why you don't follow medical advice online...

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Today's word is ... Iatrogenesis. I studied in way back in college.
It's causation of a disease, a harmful complication, or other ill effect by any medical activity, including diagnosis, intervention, error, or negligence.
Just from memory the rates of death are about 1,000 per year.

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You bring up a good point that people should keep in mind. According to this paper published in 2016:

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Death certificates in the US, used to compile national statistics, have no facility for acknowledging medical error. If medical error was a disease, it would rank as the third leading cause of death in the US. The system for measuring national vital statistics should be revised to facilitate better understanding of deaths due to medical care

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Note: the link is to the BMJ and the author is a Johns Hopkins professor.

The last thing you want to be on for any length of time unless it is absolutely necessary is a ventilator. It can lead to some very dangerous secondary infections if not thoroughly sterilized and it weakens your own body’s ability to breathe properly on its on. Often times, especially for the seriously ill, it is very difficult to come off of a ventilator. It isn’t some kind of quick fix or simple solution

It’s not easy to “second guess”. It’s common sense. If you truly work in a hospital and have for any length of time you would know that we rarely if ever wear masks and on the rare occasions we did it was due to a nasty smell or surgically. Masks were never meant to prevent the spread of infection, magically overnight it became necessary. Occasionally in hospitals, you will come into contact with an infectious disease like TB or something similar and a patient will be isolated but it was very clear early on that Covid was severely blown out of proportion.