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With all due respect, why do 911 responders deserve more than the rest?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:59 am
Jon Stewart's dramatic congressional appearance is very compelling, but what makes 911 first responders more deserving than those that responded to a high-rise fire in Dallas?
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:01 am to tigerpawl
You're right, they all deserve substantial benefits, healthcare, and compensation for their work.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:02 am to tigerpawl
IDK, but if you needed an example of what virtue signalling looks like Stewart put on a very fine display.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:02 am to tigerpawl
The scale, circumstances, and underlying cause of the incident first and foremost
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:03 am to tigerpawl
Well if those in Dallas come down with different illnesses from fighting the fire sure.
That is the biggest issue is that because of what they did they got sick and it is costing them much more than their health insurance will cover.
That is the biggest issue is that because of what they did they got sick and it is costing them much more than their health insurance will cover.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:04 am to tigerpawl
Because a lot got very sick with lung disease, cancer? I don't really know why they got sick. We need a celeb to address vets that are homeless.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:04 am to tigerpawl
What about the lone cop who responds to a domestic disturbance call and gets a stray bullet that paralyzes him?
Has he risked less? Did his family need him less?
It was done because the folks in New York knew no one would want to be the bad guy and say this was over the top so they went nuts on the amounts.
I would have no problem reimbursing New York for the extra cost but this should have been something already available for those hurt in the line of duty.
The money is running out, and this sounds harsh, because too much was paid out to some.
The VCF received 2,963 death claims. Funds were distributed in 2,880 of these cases. The average award was $2,082,128 and went as high as $7.1 million.
The fund received 4,445 personal injury claims. Funds were distributed in 2,680 of these cases. The awards ranged from $500.00 to $8.6 million.
The money was tax-free. The Zadroga Fund spent another $4 billion. I would love to see a proper accounting of these funds to show how much went to attorneys and such as opposed to victims.
Has he risked less? Did his family need him less?
It was done because the folks in New York knew no one would want to be the bad guy and say this was over the top so they went nuts on the amounts.
I would have no problem reimbursing New York for the extra cost but this should have been something already available for those hurt in the line of duty.
The money is running out, and this sounds harsh, because too much was paid out to some.
The VCF received 2,963 death claims. Funds were distributed in 2,880 of these cases. The average award was $2,082,128 and went as high as $7.1 million.
The fund received 4,445 personal injury claims. Funds were distributed in 2,680 of these cases. The awards ranged from $500.00 to $8.6 million.
The money was tax-free. The Zadroga Fund spent another $4 billion. I would love to see a proper accounting of these funds to show how much went to attorneys and such as opposed to victims.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:05 am to TennesseeFan25
quote:And if the fires had been caused internally? Non-Osama bin Laden fires?
The scale, circumstances, and underlying cause of the incident first and foremost
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:07 am to tigerpawl
I think responding to acts of war is above the line of duty that is in their job description. They absolutely deserve our support.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:07 am to tigerpawl
I think the argument can and should be made that they all deserve better on-duty disability/death benefits, across the board nationwide. I think the main argument Stewart has is the evolution of how the 9/11 responders have been treated.
First, it was their breathing ailments were not related to the tons of shite they inhaled at the sites. Then, it became okay maybe it is related. Then, it became okay it's definitely related. All the while, their ailments have gotten progressively worse and worse while the bureaucrats play games with funding.
I know first responders who were never the same after Katrina from walking in that putrid water for weeks saving people, some of which have died from peculiar forms of cancers or other weird diseases. By the time the politicians decide to keep funding for these poor people who were exposed to this, many have already died or are beyond saving.
First, it was their breathing ailments were not related to the tons of shite they inhaled at the sites. Then, it became okay maybe it is related. Then, it became okay it's definitely related. All the while, their ailments have gotten progressively worse and worse while the bureaucrats play games with funding.
I know first responders who were never the same after Katrina from walking in that putrid water for weeks saving people, some of which have died from peculiar forms of cancers or other weird diseases. By the time the politicians decide to keep funding for these poor people who were exposed to this, many have already died or are beyond saving.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:07 am to tigerpawl
I think the Dallas officers -and others- that lost their lives because of BlackLivesMatter garbage of a long list of fake Jussie optics....should sue Obama for his racist divide that caused their deaths.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:09 am to tigerpawl
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And if the fires had been caused internally? Non-Osama bin Laden fires?
It’s not even plausible that it could be that bad without an intentional major explosion.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:11 am to tigerpawl
I said as much after Stewart's speech in front of an empty Congress and got downvoted to hell.
They don't deserve any more than any other gets.
They don't deserve any more than any other gets.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:12 am to tigerpawl
I did not see Stewart's appearance, but I did think it was surprising that they needed something for this. Every jurisdiction is different, but I believe LA would cover all of their medical costs 100% because of the natural hazardous conditions that have to go into and the unknown long-term health risks associated with it.
Was he requesting something along the lines of getting full medical, or was he asking for even more than that?
Was he requesting something along the lines of getting full medical, or was he asking for even more than that?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:19 am to Weekend Warrior79
Does the fact that it happened in NYC have anything to do with the legitimacy of Stewart's assertions? Does NYC and its responders deserve more than those in Omaha? Does the mass trauma that was imposed on the American psyche by 911 make Stewart's claims more genuine? Once again, I do not wish to diminish the efforts of the 911 first responders.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:20 am to Weekend Warrior79
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I did not see Stewart's appearance, but I did think it was surprising that they needed something for this. Every jurisdiction is different, but I believe LA would cover all of their medical costs 100% because of the natural hazardous conditions that have to go into and the unknown long-term health risks associated with it.
Was he requesting something along the lines of getting full medical, or was he asking for even more than that?
One problem in NYC is rampant abuse by the NYPD of the disability system. Police realized they can retire a year or two early with a phony disability claim and reap more benefits. It is draining the system from those who need it. One estimate was that almost 50% of retirements were on disability. https://reason.com/2016/10/13/nypd-detective-who-got-bonus-pension-for/
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:25 am to tigerpawl
You wouldn't have entered that building.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:27 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
As if you would, loudmouth progtard.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:28 am to tigerpawl
With respect, it's because New York City.
Same would happen to Los Angeles.
Squeakiest wheels. All municipalities should have assistance built into their budgets for catastrophic assistance to the people that work for them (insurance), but sadly they waste a lot of money on other social issues and then cry to daddy Fed for more money, respectfully.
Same would happen to Los Angeles.
Squeakiest wheels. All municipalities should have assistance built into their budgets for catastrophic assistance to the people that work for them (insurance), but sadly they waste a lot of money on other social issues and then cry to daddy Fed for more money, respectfully.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:29 am to OMLandshark
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I think responding to acts of war is above the line of duty that is in their job description. They absolutely deserve our support.
These idiots can not understand the simplest.
Someone downvoted you... In case you need verification.
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