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re: Will we see any balanced budgets/surpluses under Trump's next admin?

Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:51 pm to
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I answered your irrelevant question with the rest of my response that you didn’t quote. Either you

A) Didn’t read it

B) Read it and don’t care.

I said it's incorrect.

quote:

Either way, your hubris won’t allow you to say “I was wrong when I said growth (in general) will lead to massive inflation”.

I'm not, and you didn't read my entire post when you made your (incorrect) argument. It referenced Hauser's law, which relies on GDP.

You missed it (or are ignorant to it) and are just flailing by falling back on (incorrect) conclusory statements
Posted by therick711
South
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:51 pm to
Yes, a "deficit" over any time period is paid through borrowing through debt. Thus for all practical purposes deficit is debt. QED.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:51 pm to
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cuts to SS and Medicare.


Military needs to be scaled back too.

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The United States still makes up the lion’s share, with its $801 billion in 2021 representing 39% of the world’s military spending. That's more than the next nine countries combined — still more than 3 years ago when it was merely larger than the next seven combined. Most of these nine countries are geopolitically aligned with the U.S.
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:52 pm to
frick you is how
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:52 pm to
RTS, I hit reply on the wrong post. As you were
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:53 pm to
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It’s a valid question, but it’s weird that you never ask these questions of democrats. It’s almost like you’re a democrat. It’s so weird

What’s the point?

Democrats don’t even pretend to practice any sort of fiscal responsibility.

Oh yeah….. and there ain’t no democrats here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:54 pm to
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Except the president doesn't set the budget.

The budget is coordinated by the President and both chambers of Congress.

The President has proposed a budget for 100 years, regardless.

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Why did you start this thread?

To discuss policy, a rarity on this board these days

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We get it, there isn't a fiscally responsible candidate or congress.

Many don't agree and see the DEM option as the fiscally irresponsible side
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:56 pm to
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Yes, a "deficit" over any time period is paid through borrowing through debt. Thus for all practical purposes deficit is debt.

And we can have a year without a budget deficit while still having debt.

We are discussing individual years and budgets.
Posted by adamau
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:56 pm to
He's certainly not a fiscal conservative at all. For that matter, I honestly don't believe there are any actually left in government, and even if there were, the road blocks to trying to get that type of budget enacted would be enormous.

Our bloated bureaucracy is completely addicted to spending at all levels and I don't think that is going change until it implodes under its own weight.

When that actually happens is the $50,000 question.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13545 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:56 pm to
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Will we see any balanced budgets/surpluses under Trump's next admin?

Lol less than zero chance
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:56 pm to
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cuts to SS and Medicare.



quote:

Military needs to be scaled back too.


Trump's platform specifically protects/expands spending in all 3 areas
Posted by ldts
Member since Aug 2015
2908 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:57 pm to
The deficit increased under the first Trump administration, even before covid. There may be a decrease since the past few years had such high spending, but I see no reason to expect a balanced budget under him.

The fact is no one has the stomach to do what it would take to balance the budget. We simply will not see a balanced budget as long as people keep buying our debt.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:59 pm to
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The fact is no one has the stomach to do what it would take to balance the budget.


Correct.

Unfortunately I believe it will take a depression or a collapse.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:00 pm to
It raises a scary question if any person can run for President without pushing economic leftism to buy votes.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Will we see any balanced budgets/surpluses under Trump's next admin?


lol, no
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128705 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Growing economy cures all.


No, it doesn’t.

Cuts are going to have to be made.

I’d suggest going to 2019 budgets for all departments as a start (where there is discretionary spending).
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14691 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:02 pm to
No. He’ll close the gap on deficit spending after the mid terms.. I imagine he’ll use the positives he garnered in his presidency and “hopefully “ learn from the mistakes. The biggest push will be in spending domestic vs foreign in terms of military and other non budget expenditures
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55207 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Will we see any balanced budgets/surpluses under Trump's next admin?

No, for two reasons:
1. The deficit is too big to be closed in four years, and
2. Trump
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128705 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:04 pm to
Also, the media will be beating the drum of negative economic news as soon as Trump is elected.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:06 pm to
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1. The deficit is too big to be closed in four years, and

This is why the distinction is needed, rick
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