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re: Will Trump be able to take an off ramp on vaccines?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 pm to Reubaltaich
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 pm to Reubaltaich
Just a small aspect of the whole thing, no big deal. Lol that goes in one ear and out the other for most people, as significant as it is. And instead the idea that Trump personally locked down the entire country. But not me. I do understand that, for instance, the accolades that some folks give Desantis regarding this or that awesome thing he done against the covid, well Don Trump is the actual individual who had his way inasmuch as he declared that the individual states were best suited to determine their own actions to beat back the covid. Quite a different story from the popular “Trump turned the whole country off”.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Trump was right to push for a vaccine, right for not pushing for a mandate, right for pushing treatments. It's not within his power to make sure the vaccine worked.
How do you excuse him for not canning Fauci and Birx? From his own words, he didn't want to do it because "the media would have gone crazy". Really!? What the hell is that?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:06 pm to burger bearcat
quote:I didn't say anything about them, but yeah, he was right. Biden wouldn't have had to have stolen the election quite as badly if Trump had fired Fauci, like it or not. He was still the trusted Mr. Rogers at this point in 2020.
How do you excuse him for not canning Fauci and Birx? From his own words, he didn't want to do it because "the media would have gone crazy". Really!? What the hell is that?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:08 pm to burger bearcat
I literally don’t give a shite about anything Covid or vaccine related. As long as I’m not mandated and my children aren’t mandated, Covid and vaccines are over and have zero impact on my vote this year or 2024.
I will vote based on my wallet. Period.
I will vote based on my wallet. Period.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:09 pm to burger bearcat
Nobody cares about the vaccines. It was the MANDATES that were the issue. Why is that so hard to understand?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:25 pm to VolcanicTiger
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I didn't say anything about them, but yeah, he was right. Biden wouldn't have had to have stolen the election quite as badly if Trump had fired Fauci, like it or not. He was still the trusted Mr. Rogers at this point in 2020.
No doubt, and that’s putting it mildly. I completely believe that Burger is fully genuine with his line of thinking, but as it stands it’s just blatantly short of full consideration of the matter. I don’t know about you, but I often ask “What the hell are they gonna come up with next?” As in, what could they possibly use beyond what they already have to trump what they’ve done this far? How could they possibly take it any more extreme than they already have? Well firing Fauci would have been a massive hunk of red meat for them in that regard. That’s what would have caused complete unraveling of everything, and Trump had to address it accordingly.
Here’s how they would’ve approached it, more or less:
“Trump’s a madman who has left us all high and dey smack dab in the throes of perhaps the most vicious pandemic in history!! 25th Amendment NOW!!” And that may’ve actually had some legs to it. And if not, minimally a guaranteed defeat in the election. The reality of the situation was that despite what some here may claim they were fully aware of at the time (which I strongly question to begin with), the majority of the country was indeed spooked out by covid, mostly due to the campaign of covid fear that was for sure working as they hoped. And on top of it all off I see no mention by anyone as to precisely what Trump would have needed to do next, i.e. replace Fauci and Birx and with whom, preparation and messaging on exactly what new direction they planned to go in and why and convincing the already spooked country why it’s a good move and will be successful, in order to calm the guaranteed uproar the move would cause.
Bottom line, Trump had nothing but bad options and had to carefully select the least worst one. His cost-benefit analysis led him to the conclusion that the least bad option was to keep Fauci on but do best to keep him at arm’s length.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:28 pm to Big4SALTbro
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It’s a loser among his base and if big dick Ron hits him on it, it will dent his base badly.
Wut?
Trump and Ron have the same thoughts about the vaxx
They encourage it but are strongly against any mandates
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:34 pm to davyjones
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Bottom line, Trump had nothing but bad options and had to carefully select the least worst one. His cost-benefit analysis led him to the conclusion that the least bad option was to keep Fauci on but do best to keep him at arm’s length.
I'm sorry, but I just have to respectfully disagree. We didn't elect Trump to be sheepish and indecisive because he would get bad press on Morning Joe.
The media roasted him anyways. The best way to deal with a screaming toddler is to ignore the tantrum, and show them the correct way. The people aren't stupid, they will eventually see through through bullshite. But above all else, this was his moment. It was his Pearl Harbor, or 911, or Black Tuesday. We elected him as president to be able to handle these incredible moments. I am shocked he didn't do more to punish China, and allowed that little fricker Fauci and that bitch Birx to stay employed.
And above all else, he continues to brag about these poison shots that are killing young people, and being used to purge our military.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:42 pm to Cosmo
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Wut?
Trump and Ron have the same thoughts about the vaxx
They encourage it but are strongly against any mandates
Yeah what you mention there is quite important and relevant. But it’s like some folks are programmed to not perceive it. Like that picture show Westworld here:
It’s simply that some people are so bound and determined to demonstrate their willingness to criticize Trump that in their effort to do this task, they actually have a difficult time finding something reasonable and rational. Thus they’re left with saying these kinds of things that are blatantly incorrect (“Trump shut down the country”) however are ok with doing so because obviously it’s acceptable by the other folks who are putting the pressure on them to prove their willingness to criticize, i.e. extremist Trump haters.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:43 pm to burger bearcat
quote:The people are pretty stupid. We still have people who think Hunter's laptop is Russian propaganda, that Trump said to drink or inject bleach, and that he called neo-Nazis "fine people". For those that aren't stupid, it still takes them about 18 months. The absolute BEST thing Trump could have done in the grand scheme of things was to win the election, but he was cheated. The greater good though was to not give the MSM more red meat after the aforementioned hoaxes. And there is no reason to believe at the time that Fauci needed to be replaced and that they had someone better waiting in the wings. He was the "expert" in the time where we had no idea where Covid was going.
The people aren't stupid, they will eventually see through through bullshite.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:44 pm to burger bearcat
They woulda gone 25th amendment on Trump had he got rid of the left's false god fauci. And know knowing that Pence is a shithead he would had gone along with it.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:48 pm to burger bearcat
Trump fan boys will never blame him for his covid lockdowns or his vax push. He is perfect in every way.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:52 pm to Ole Ag
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Trump fan boys will never blame him for his covid lockdowns or his vax push. He is perfect in every way.
Please point out which places Trump locked down. As far as him spouting off about the vaxx? Yeah, it would be nice if he didnt do that. Unfortunately, a lot of retards think the vax is the holy grail from Indiana Jones.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:54 pm to Pookers
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They woulda gone 25th amendment on Trump had he got rid of the left's false god fauci
This might be unpopular, but I personally welcome it when the enemy goes to these levels of desperation. Not only does it expose who the bad guys are, but it shows the people the truth, and further more radicalizes the base. I wish they would have tried to 25thed him over firing Fauci. His entire cabinet was traitors anyways, it would have been nice to had exposed them then, instead of when it is too late.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:54 pm to burger bearcat
Well in terms of the mention of the media in this scenario, it’s not merely what the media would use it to hammer Trump, he can handle that part. It’s rather the effect the media’s freshly energized campaign would have on so many citizens, and then Trump having to manage that situation. And I really do believe it would have been to that point an unseen level of hysteria that would indeed affect the public at large in very unpredictable ways. Because we must remember, Trump’s overall aim was to return the country and its economy in the direction of “normalcy”. Big goal at the time clearly, but a responsible POTUS’ approach would have been to make reasonable decisions to lead in that positive direction, even if vaguely at the time. And definitely to do all possible to avoid any of his own actions that would retard the positive movement forward. I strongly believe that his making those moves would have been a potentially dangerous move in the wrong direction.
He’s simply the baw who takes action to get done what he believes is best for the country……not the baw who seeks to massage all our personal principles and beliefs out here. I think the guy was trying to get things done, not pander to peoples’ principles.
He’s simply the baw who takes action to get done what he believes is best for the country……not the baw who seeks to massage all our personal principles and beliefs out here. I think the guy was trying to get things done, not pander to peoples’ principles.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:56 pm to burger bearcat
Kinda what's going on now no? They are doing everything they can to keep him from running again. When Trump rightly assumes office again he will know exactly who is on his side.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 2:07 am to burger bearcat
I don’t think Desantis will hit Trump with this, because Desantis is almost certainly vaccinated. He won’t disclose his vaccination status. Ask yourself why that is. Is it because he is unvaccinated, and he doesn’t want to piss off a bunch of left wing nutballs?
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:46 am to burger bearcat
Or what about this, maybe the vax really does work and isn’t poison? Maybe kids shouldn’t be getting it or even younger people in general, but older people? I don’t think they’ve been having a bad time with it have they?
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:54 am to Penrod
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I don’t think Desantis will hit Trump with this, because Desantis is almost certainly vaccinated. He won’t disclose his vaccination status.
DeSantis has confirmed he is vaccinated with Johnson & Johnson’s . He has not confirmed if he is boosted or not.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:54 am to DavidTheGnome
Or that even if the vax is now pretty ineffective, Trump was earnestly trying to navigate unchartered modern waters of a pandemic, being largely unable to sort through establishment agenda and truth, and feeling the immense pressure of trying to protect Americans from an illness where the impacts weren't entirely clear?
Trump going "I'm still proud of what we did with the vaccine. I think the mandates were wrong, I think the shutdowns after we learned about how the virus worked were wrong. And unfortunately I think the vaccine proved limited after being initially very helpful. But I think I did what any other President would have done, - listen to the CDC and try and do what I could to save the lives of the most vulnerable, and with some changes, I'd do it again."
That would, in a vacuum, resonate with 80% of the country. The percentage of the country who thinks the vaccine is killing a lot of people or is "poison" is very small. Likewise, the percentage who think giving an ineffective vaccine to little kids is a good idea is similarly small. He needs to walk a political line which also happens to be a quite reasonable line to walk.
Trump going "I'm still proud of what we did with the vaccine. I think the mandates were wrong, I think the shutdowns after we learned about how the virus worked were wrong. And unfortunately I think the vaccine proved limited after being initially very helpful. But I think I did what any other President would have done, - listen to the CDC and try and do what I could to save the lives of the most vulnerable, and with some changes, I'd do it again."
That would, in a vacuum, resonate with 80% of the country. The percentage of the country who thinks the vaccine is killing a lot of people or is "poison" is very small. Likewise, the percentage who think giving an ineffective vaccine to little kids is a good idea is similarly small. He needs to walk a political line which also happens to be a quite reasonable line to walk.
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