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Muff
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
Vaccines certainly work.

I had the shite back in March.

My wife and I both exposed to the virus at gym. I caught it she didn't. We slept together every night. She didn't catch it.

Still not getting vax'd here. Had virus, had worse hangovers.

My natural immunity seems pretty good so far.


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BugAC
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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There is no data out there that suggests that the vaccines aren't having a positive impact



So you are just going to ignore natural immunity?


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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
Freedom is working. Attended a three day car road rally over the weekend. There were 450 cars and well over 1000 people in attendance. Only mask I saw was on a college staff member acting as a guide to the location of the food and bathrooms. I told her that she was disappointing and spoiled the weekend for me.


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RMJM
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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Is it really a vaccine if those who have been vaccinated can still be infected by the virus (not just a variant)?


Yes. No vaccine is 100% perfect.

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How many cases of less severe polio or smallpox do we encounter on an annual basis? The answer is 0.


1. The small pox vaccine wasn't perfect either.

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Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days after a person was exposed to the variola virus.


Really good (after several generations of improvements) but still not perfect. The 85% to 90% is pretty incredible considering how quickly it was developed.

2. You know why you don't see any US small pox cases?

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Routine smallpox vaccination among the American public stopped in 1972 after the disease was eradicated in the United States.


Because it was eradicated...by vaccines. Enough people took the vaccine that small pox was eradicated in the US. That is herd immunity.

CDC link on small pox


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NC_Tigah
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
From your link:
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In a press release on Friday, the MOH said that these 2,000 individuals are those who had developed "anaphylaxis or allergic reactions (hives, face/ eyelid/ lip/ throat swelling, generalised rash within 7 days after vaccination)".

The individuals can consider taking vaccines under the Special Access Route (SAR), such as the Sinovac vaccine, if they cannot wait, the ministry added in its post.
Unfortunately, this is yet another example of governments lying about science. Sad, because for the average person out there with little understanding of detailed science, there is no reason or ability to trust anything being promoted. Something which has been emphasized with reason over and over in this thread.

Of course, the irony is, this article is being linked as scientifically relevant.

In fact, there is ZERO REASON for any specific recommendation of the Sinovac vaccine (especially in this instance) other than kickback received by officials recommending it. ZERO! Sinovac is a Chinese manufacturer. The vaccine is simple attenuated Covid-19.

Data from efficacy trials have not been published. Trial details essential for critical review of results have thus far been tightly sealed by the Chinese. Repeat: Trial details essential for critical review of results have thus far been tightly sealed by the Chinese. The only efficacy "data" is through press releases.

Translation: Delayed allergic response to Phizer's vaccine (btw, dubious in the Singapore piece) would occur secondary to the S-protein component. Sinovac's vaccine may or may not be effectively attenuated. Regardless, it includes S-protein IDENTICAL to what the mRNA variations produce in isolation. In other words, it not only includes the presumed allergen, but other potentially allergy provocative proteins as well.
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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So you are just going to ignore natural immunity?



No


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David_DJS
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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But wouldn't that be one of the main reasons to get it? If it's both effective and safe the reason for many not getting it is purely political.

Powerman, for argument's sake let's assume that the vaccines are the most effective and safest vaccines ever developed. Given that, do you seriously not understand why really smart and rational people might take a hard pass on getting one? It seems like you believe everybody's default position on pumping a drug into their body should be a big green flashing YES, and that the drug needs to be proven to be ineffective or unsafe before that sign turns to CAUTION.

I'm not anti-vaxx. Had no problem getting my kids vaccinated. If there's ever a time when a vaccine makes sense for me, I'll jump in line. But I'm not a fan of medicating for no (substantial) reason.

It's unbelievable how many meds the average American is on. It's f'n unbelievable how many meds the average person over 50 is on. In some cases, we are medicating things that don't need treatment - we have a natural immune system for a reason, and unless I'm mistaken, unless you give it a workout now and then, it gets weaker (one of our Docs can comment on that?). It's like all the anti-bacterial soaps and the neverending cycle of needing to develop stronger and stronger anti-bacterials. Right?


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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
So if Covid is mostly benign? What are the effects of basically a flu shot? Unless the end result of the vaccine is sinister? And not about cold/flu at all.

Is that the argument? What is in the vaccine so different and detrimental compared to other yearly virus shots? Asking for a real doctor's reply.
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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So if Covid is mostly benign? What are the effects of basically a flu shot?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but I'll take a stab. It's not the "mostly" which folks are vaccinated against.

If 200 people are gathered together and a terrorist says one of you will be executed tonight, you're still mostly safe. But the vaccine changes those odds to about 1 in 20,000.

The difference between CV19 vaccinations and the FluVax is the FluVax targets anticipated flu strains. Anticipation doesn't always get it right. With CV19, we know the target.


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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
But my question is...everyone willingly takes flu shots each year that are created on the fly...as you say predicting strains.

If Covid has a flu-like footprint and similar or less rate of death...what is the vitriol over this Vax if it supposedly is made to battle known strains of Flu? But comments on this board are acting like the government is injecting people with Anthrax as some sort of culling of the population.

So what is so different or bad about this common virus strain Vax?

That supposedly doctors won't take it.
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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There is a massive amount of data being continuously manipulated on this matter


FIFY


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NC_Tigah
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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So what is so different or bad about this common virus strain Vax?
We have traditional CV19 vaccines, but the mRNA model is different. It affords advantages, and will be the basis of novel virus defense going forward. In practical terms of vaccination risk though, there is no significant difference.

Most resistance emanates from Covidians trying to force the issue. E.g., insisting that 12y/o's with infinitesimal CV19 risk be subjected to emergency use vaccination, or be excluded from school.

IDK about the "doctors won't take it" business. I've encountered not a smidgen of a whiff of that.


mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
Well some guy posted in this thread that 60% doctors said they wouldn't take it...because there was no reason unlike Polio and it hasn't been tested long-term.

So the fear is, we don't don't know the long-term response to mRNA?

And what are the actual fears?

Why would we need an atypical vaccine for Covid?
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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200 people are gathered together and a terrorist says one of you will be executed tonight, you're still mostly safe. 


That means that the terrorists were mostly peaceful in guessing...

Anyways just wanted to add that I don't know a single physician who hasn't gotten the vaccine.

And I know a lot of physicians.


NC_Tigah
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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some guy posted in thus thread
There has been a lot of BS posted in this thread.
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So the fear is, we don't don't know the long-term response to mRNA?
No. The fear is "science" is now untrustworthy. Unfortunately, untrustworthy politically aligned scientists legitimize that.


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They’d give Trump a blowjob before they got a vaccine


Why you being homophobic?


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FATBOY TIGER
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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Anyways just wanted to add that I don't know a single physician who hasn't gotten the vaccine.



I know a whole office who hasn't.


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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
So if you made the mistake because your local Pharmacy treated it as easy to get as a common flu shot, are we fricked...potentially?

What's in this shite that most people probably don't need that makes them scared vs. a common flu Vax? I mean it takes like 5 minutes, no questions asked. Don't need to see a doctor. Rite-Aid and national pharmacies are advertising it like the yearly Flu shot.

Are we rolling out stuff that isn't vetted and taken like candy?
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re: Will people here admit that the vaccines are working?
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I'm stupid, but you're quoting the WHO?

More than just WHO my friend. It's just getting worse for you, it appears.

** VAERS reported deaths are now close to 6,000

** CDC admits to the Pfizer vaccine causing myocarditis and pericarditis with eventual scarring of the heart muscle.

CDC Schedules ‘Emergency Meeting’ On Heart Inflammation

** The vaccine isn't necessary for those with the natural immunity of having had corona.

No vaccine needed for those who’ve had COVID-19

** Every vaccine has now been associated with clotting of the blood.

Blood clots are as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna

** HCQ and zinc are now verified to be an effective treatment, even in sever reactions to COVID, negating the need for a vaccine

Study shows hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatments increased coronavirus survival rate 200% in most severe cases
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