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Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:17 pm to Delupe
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:24 pm to mule74
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I know a guy who is fairly high ranking in the Air Force, who has spent a significant portion of his career planning the US response to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
His exact words to me “we cannot stop them if they really want to take it.“
It’s too close to China. It would be a logistical nightmare for us.
China has a fleet of 1000 civilian ships that would surround the island.
And they would perform strategies that we do (disable internet, gas, power, water, telecoms). And they would attempt to overload the island with a 90 minute beach strategy (they have 3 piece floating bridges that will spear the land invasion).
They will hit US bases in Japan and S Korea at about the same time with their invasion.
If we don't kill the invasion immediately, we will have supply line issues. Ships need to reload missiles and torpedoes and our supply lines right now are vastly deficient.
The best way to deal with China vs Taiwan is to deal with it the way that the US should have dealt with Russia before the Ukraine invasion. Move all of the dominoes in place (Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, Russia, South America, Greenland, India). Weaken China politically, internationally, industrially, and economically so that they see too much downside risk with an invasion.
The best wars are cold wars.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:38 pm to WKUHilltopper
Probably already been posted but........
Taiwan has our defenses. Plus the threat of USA intervention. Couple that with the unmitigated disaster that has just been PROVEN with their tech vs. ours!
All China has is pure numbers of bodies to throw into a fray........and we all know that would just mean a lot of fish in a barrel.
Taiwan has our defenses. Plus the threat of USA intervention. Couple that with the unmitigated disaster that has just been PROVEN with their tech vs. ours!
All China has is pure numbers of bodies to throw into a fray........and we all know that would just mean a lot of fish in a barrel.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:47 pm to WKUHilltopper
The US and the allies built up for two years to simply go across the English Channel. 7000 ships took part in this invasion and the Germans were caught napping.
It still was difficult. With mind boggling resources.
But with satellites complete surprise is much tougher. You need about 3:1 numerical superiority at the point of attack to succeed.
The Chinese fleet would get pounded by Taiwan with air strikes, artillery, missiles etc. The Chinese would not want to destroy chip manufacturing etc so they have to be careful in their response. Not to mention a few American subs may have fun putting Mark 48s into ships.
It may be possible for China to succeed but they could also fail and that would be catastrophic for them. It may be too close to 50-50 yet.
It still was difficult. With mind boggling resources.
But with satellites complete surprise is much tougher. You need about 3:1 numerical superiority at the point of attack to succeed.
The Chinese fleet would get pounded by Taiwan with air strikes, artillery, missiles etc. The Chinese would not want to destroy chip manufacturing etc so they have to be careful in their response. Not to mention a few American subs may have fun putting Mark 48s into ships.
It may be possible for China to succeed but they could also fail and that would be catastrophic for them. It may be too close to 50-50 yet.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:48 pm to Jbird
No, but I just did. It think these so called experts are the same ones that write books describing l00 ways to make love, but are still virgins. Even though airpower is the operational center of gravity of any war in the Pacific, launching a surprise attack against U.S. assets would galvanize the US populace like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. China's long-term ambition is to challenge USA dominance in the Pacific. Taiwan's geographic location severely limits Pacific access and basically keeps it restricted like a cork in a bottle; China will retake Taiwan for this reason. China's best course of action is a complete naval blockade and quarantine of the island...nothing gets in or out. We overcame a similar Soviet tactic in 1947 with the Berlin Airlift. Today, I doubt that would work. It would definitely put our Strategic Ambiguity doctrine to the test and potentially make us and our Allies the aggressors, in the eyes of the Chinese people, if we use force against the blockade.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:54 pm to Delupe
I think that ultimately ends with submarines dropping lots of Chinese ships in the Pacific.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 9:55 pm to greygoose
Taiwan just revealed a cruise missile that can reach the 3 Gorges Dam. China won’t want to risk a cornered Taiwan pulling that trigger. They’d be better served trying to get Taiwan to move towards them politically.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 10:20 pm to Boodis Man
Comparing Venezuela to Taiwan.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 10:26 pm to Free888
quote:Truth be told, Taiwan is not even a top 10 problem for China. China is fricked 6 ways from Sunday on a whole lot of other,, more pressing things.
Taiwan just revealed a cruise missile that can reach the 3 Gorges Dam. China won’t want to risk a cornered Taiwan pulling that trigger. They’d be better served trying to get Taiwan to move towards them politically.
They just got bent over with Mauduro. Iran isn't getting them any oil in the foreseeable future, and their economy heavily depends on the American consumer. Their Premier has axed anyone in their military that poises any threat to his power. They are as weak as they have ever been, Tiananmen Square might be small potatoes compared to what may be on the horizon.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 10:36 pm to WKUHilltopper
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Why would China not be able to take down Taiwan easily?
The simple answer is they want to take Taiwan intact. It's no good to them if they destroy the semiconductor manufacturing base in the process.
This makes it far more difficult than if they could use blunt force.
Posted on 3/15/26 at 10:56 pm to Penrod
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Also, what if they succeed? The US would cut off all fuel supply to the region. The US, Europe and the ME would all cease trading with them. We’d choke them out economically.
all of the simulations were done before the Venezuela/Maduro initiative and the Iran initiative took place. Russia cannot produce enough oil for China to exist. If this happened and they attacked Taiwan, the world would sanction China and there would be no free trade of oil.
Even if China succeeded by taking Taiwan, they would be effectively isolated from the rest of the crude oil trade. They are already having problems buying crude oil in the open market with dollars. They cannot afford to be cut off completely, because they do not have enough crude storage and enough crude production and access to Russian crew to exist as a country.
The Chinese could win the Taiwan battle, but lose the energy war
Posted on 3/15/26 at 10:56 pm to WKUHilltopper
Remember when they took Hong Kong without a shot? Didn't think so. Same time COVID panic started. But don't look over here! Surrounded a city with mech infantry, and nobody gives a shite.
No worry, no problem. Ok! (Asian accent)
No worry, no problem. Ok! (Asian accent)
Posted on 3/15/26 at 10:57 pm to WKUHilltopper
You should probably look at a map
Posted on 3/16/26 at 12:20 am to uziyourillusion
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No one is going to cause a mass casualty event like that because they know they will get nuked in response
So you are gonna nuke an island 90-100 miles from your own coastline? Better know which what the wind is blowing.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 12:38 am to Henry Jones Jr
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They would effectively isolate themselves for at least a decade or more.
Covid should have been enough to accomplish this, yet here we are.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 12:49 am to WKUHilltopper
I live in Taipei. They can easily take us out with cross straight missiles and naval warfare if you are talking about targeting infrastructure, military sites and assets.
Ground warfare would be problematic but China has set up several fake cities for military training and they will heavily rely on drones.
Our goal is to make it a pain in their arse to take the island. Since the terrain consists of multiple environments, urban, rocky coastal, jungle, forested mountains. Our summers and falls mimic Louisiana with sweltering heat and humidity and hurricanes.
Thankfully Trump is hitting their resources and continues to cripple their economy. But when they have a high unemployment rate which they do currently, their people will protest or be forced to fight in a war.
Ground warfare would be problematic but China has set up several fake cities for military training and they will heavily rely on drones.
Our goal is to make it a pain in their arse to take the island. Since the terrain consists of multiple environments, urban, rocky coastal, jungle, forested mountains. Our summers and falls mimic Louisiana with sweltering heat and humidity and hurricanes.
Thankfully Trump is hitting their resources and continues to cripple their economy. But when they have a high unemployment rate which they do currently, their people will protest or be forced to fight in a war.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:02 am to WKUHilltopper
Well China, while not totally down, has some internal problems. Revenge against society attacks (mass stabbings, car attacks) show a deep unhappiness within Chinese society. There are many people who don't get paid regularly and many of the regions/cities have unsettled finances due to the issues with China's economy. Any prolonged conflict or further disruption might lead to some sort of internal disturbance.
Militarily, there have been rumors of military issues - lack of readiness and even theft. My favorite rumor was that the fuel for rockets was siphoned off and replaced with water which coincided with one of the many purges of military personnel. Also there were reports of faulty lids on silos that would prevent launches. Source
There was also a fairly recent purges in December 2025 and then 2026.
The most recent two were Liu Zhenli and Zhang Youxia who were removed for corruption and apparently, disagreement with Xi's objective to be ready to invade Taiwan by 2027 (they supposedly thought a realistic date would be 2035).
Now Xi Jinping and Zhang Shengmin (who was recently appointed to take someone else's place from his position as an anti-corruption official) are the only people reportedly on the Central Military Commission.
Long read on the purges
There are some real issues in building up a force, actually getting it to Taiwan, and then taking control. But it's not out of the question that China could do it. But then you get into 2nd and 3rd order problems like the disruptions in trade to/from China, global boycotts or sanctions against China, and the potential actions of other nations to keep semiconductor manufacturing/shipments running. The potential ramifications are staggering if you look deep enough.
Militarily, there have been rumors of military issues - lack of readiness and even theft. My favorite rumor was that the fuel for rockets was siphoned off and replaced with water which coincided with one of the many purges of military personnel. Also there were reports of faulty lids on silos that would prevent launches. Source
There was also a fairly recent purges in December 2025 and then 2026.
The most recent two were Liu Zhenli and Zhang Youxia who were removed for corruption and apparently, disagreement with Xi's objective to be ready to invade Taiwan by 2027 (they supposedly thought a realistic date would be 2035).
Now Xi Jinping and Zhang Shengmin (who was recently appointed to take someone else's place from his position as an anti-corruption official) are the only people reportedly on the Central Military Commission.
Long read on the purges
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The purges of Zhang Youxia and Liu Zhenli are instructive. The PLA Daily stated that Zhang and Liu were removed for fueling “political and corruption problems that threaten the party’s absolute leadership over the armed forces and undermine the party’s governance foundation,” and it said they had “seriously trampled on and undermined” Xi’s authority as CMC chairman. Some have speculated that this indicates Xi felt Zhang in particular had amassed too much influence within the PLA or that factionalism threatened CCP rule over the military. Whatever way Xi seeks to refill or restructure the CMC, he will likely seek candidates that are not only loyal to him but have demonstrated little evidence of amassing their own followers within the military
There are some real issues in building up a force, actually getting it to Taiwan, and then taking control. But it's not out of the question that China could do it. But then you get into 2nd and 3rd order problems like the disruptions in trade to/from China, global boycotts or sanctions against China, and the potential actions of other nations to keep semiconductor manufacturing/shipments running. The potential ramifications are staggering if you look deep enough.
Posted on 3/16/26 at 1:08 am to WKUHilltopper
Mark 48 torpedo has something to say about chinese cocksuckers invading taiwan.
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