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re: Why Trump needed to cave?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:11 pm to RIPMachoMan
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:11 pm to RIPMachoMan
quote:
Goes against everything he campaigned on.
How, Trumps about making deals?
There is no real ideology behind the mask. His supporters demand the Wall be built and 70% of the public is for a path to citizenship for DACA.
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:14 pm to cahoots
quote:
So break one promise to keep another? It may be his best play depending on the wall backlash but that's giving the other side tons of political capital
It’s a win for both sides. Trumps already said he wants to find a way to give citizenship for DACA kids. Thing is you probably only get one shot for this kind of deal.
This would be an historic compromise and an undeniable legacy achievement.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:15 pm to TOKEN
quote:
There is no real ideology behind the mask. His supporters demand the Wall be built and 70% of the public is for a path to citizenship for DACA.
Okay, he still campaigned on bringing an end to DACA.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:19 pm to RIPMachoMan
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Okay, he still campaigned on bringing an end to DACA.
The base will overlook that if he gets them the Wall. Trump can also campaign that he delivered DACA to Hispanic voters while toting the lowest unemployment numbers in Hispanic history? This opens Trump back up with independents, women and minority voters.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:22 pm to TOKEN
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Trump offers 40 billion for full citizenship for DACA and the Dems don’t take it? Dude there would be epic backlash from Hispanic community.
In exchange for what?
If Trump offers that, his own supporters will turn on him.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:24 pm to TOKEN
Anything less than $5B is a loss
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:27 pm to TOKEN
I think Pelosi won't back down from "no wall", nor will she back down from entangling DACA into the negotiations. I thin k the negotiations in the coming weeks will be how much money will Trump accept for border security sans wall. Would he take $50 billion? $80 billion? $100 billion for border security with no wall? Remember, Pelosi's playing with house money - literally.
So how much money would Pelosi have to pony up for Trump to agree to a border security deal with no wall?
So how much money would Pelosi have to pony up for Trump to agree to a border security deal with no wall?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:27 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
In exchange for what?
If Trump offers that, his own supporters will turn on him
$40 Billion (full Wall funding) in exchange for path to citizenship for DACA. You think either side wins 100%? It’s a compromise and Trump will sell it to the base. Most people know that would eventually be the deal.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:31 pm to upgrayedd
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If Trump offers that, his own supporters will turn on him.
They are turning on him anyway. Look at the cesspool that is this board right now.
The wall for DACA just makes too much sense. Screw the hard right and left who refuse to budge on a fricking thing. They are what’s wrong with this country.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:32 pm to TOKEN
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$40 Billion (full Wall funding) in exchange for path to citizenship for DACA. You think either side wins 100%? It’s a compromise and Trump will sell it to the base. Most people know that would eventually be the deal.
I don't see how you're not grasping this. They're not giving one single penny to the wall and there's nothing Trump can do about it. If a wall is mentioned they're saying no.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:33 pm to upgrayedd
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If a wall is mentioned they're saying no.
Dude BamaAtl, who is a radical progressive, is open to this idea in this very thread.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:34 pm to TOKEN
quote:Trump had two major disadvantages.
Why Trump needed to cave?
(1) A Democrat complicit press continually misinforming the public.
(2) Horrendously incompetent/oppositional leadership in both Houses.
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The Wall should have passed in year one. Instead a GOP Congress passed an obama-level budget at the last minute which did not even include wall funding. Trump considered a veto, but signed with the caveat "never again." So when the GOP imbeciles basically did the same thing again, Trump was forced to halt it. McConnell proved impotent in moving a wall through Dem filibusters, and things ground to a halt.
Nancy Pelosi enjoyed not only a completely complicit press, but also the fact she simply inherited the GOP logjam. If the GOP created it, the GOP would have to fix it.
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So that chapter is closed.
Time will tell if we are in a downward spiral. But Pelosi is currently feeling her oats for sure.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:36 pm to DallasTiger11
as a local liberal I could live with that compromise as well. hell if the kids get here we can always just abort the bad ones or unwanted ones anyways with our handy new abortion laws
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:38 pm to DallasTiger11
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Dude BamaAtl, who is a radical progressive, is open to this idea in this very thread.
Unless BamaAtl is secretly Pelosi or Schumer, it doesn't matter. This is 100% about Trump resistance and forcing him to fail to fulfill his cornerstone campaign promise just ahead of the 2020 election.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:40 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:That's funny. All the tripe on this board has been about how polls are fake and everything is fake but Trump really had majority support and was winning on this. Which is it?
1) A Democrat complicit press continually misinforming the public.
quote:You should understand this: the republicans DID NOT WANT A WALL...at least not in exchange for anything of actual value.
(2) Horrendously incompetent/oppositional leadership in both Houses.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:45 pm to TOKEN
WTFever. I’ve been following this since before DJT was elected. Given the recent events, Sandman, NY passing law allowing murdering of innocents, Gestapo raid of RS. W....T......F......
Slapped around by a bunch of lunatics. Unfortunately a bunch of lunatics that control everything, media, entertainment, food, drink, power, DC.
Nothing good comes from any of this.
Slapped around by a bunch of lunatics. Unfortunately a bunch of lunatics that control everything, media, entertainment, food, drink, power, DC.
Nothing good comes from any of this.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:46 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
This is 100% about Trump resistance and forcing him to fail to fulfill his cornerstone campaign promise just ahead of the 2020 election.
I agree it’s 100% about that. This whole stupid fight is solely about the election.
Trump pushing DACA changes the game though. It will be very hard for them to sit there and resist when he’s pushing DACA, a wall, and border security. This is something 75% of the country supports and moderates will lose their shite if we go through another shutdown with them refusing to agree to something like that.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:46 pm to RIPMachoMan
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:49 pm to DallasTiger11
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Trump pushing DACA changes the game though. It will be very hard for them to sit there and resist when he’s pushing DACA, a wall, and border security. This is something 75% of the country supports and moderates will lose their shite if we go through another shutdown with them refusing to agree to something like that.
They will not approve funding for the wall any reason. If they do, it will be in agreement to a deal that will pretty much force Trump's base to abandon him.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:58 pm to TOKEN
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This shutdown was on Trump but the next one will be on Democrats if they don’t follow through on these negotiations.
There is no way in hell the GOP congressmen or Trump can make this narrative viable if he shuts the govt down again....no way.
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