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re: Why send your kid to college?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:00 am to TA2
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:00 am to TA2
College is not for everyone. Nothing wrong with a kid opting to learn a trade vs attending college and earning a degree.
Our oldest went the Community College route to become a welder. Worked at a fab shop during the day, went to classes at night for 2 years.
Hired as a welder by a contractor and starting pay was $28.75 to perform structural welding. Met other welders while working on the road and has now moved over to pipeline welding. His pay? $44hr for him + $16hr for equipment use + daily perdiem and he's 24yrs old. And yes, the company provides healthcare and 401k. Not a bad gig and it is work, hard work with long hours and very little social time.
Our oldest went the Community College route to become a welder. Worked at a fab shop during the day, went to classes at night for 2 years.
Hired as a welder by a contractor and starting pay was $28.75 to perform structural welding. Met other welders while working on the road and has now moved over to pipeline welding. His pay? $44hr for him + $16hr for equipment use + daily perdiem and he's 24yrs old. And yes, the company provides healthcare and 401k. Not a bad gig and it is work, hard work with long hours and very little social time.
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:12 am to partsman103
They need to throw out around 75% of the degrees. College is a scam for most people. Companies need to start training programs at 18. 4 years, 100K for becoming a well rounded intellectual. It’s a joke.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:22 am to TA2
Everyone needs a college education is one of the biggest lies we have been told as a society.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:25 am to TA2
You raise a really good wuestion. In trying.to enact a 'college for all' policy, theu simply devalued the degree and made it more expensive.
unless your child wants.to go into the health professions, accounting, business management, engineering, or research in the hard sciences, a colege degree is almost worthless.
unless your child wants.to go into the health professions, accounting, business management, engineering, or research in the hard sciences, a colege degree is almost worthless.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:26 am to EKG
I went to a pretty middle-of-the-road (by New England standards) college in Connecticut in the same city as Yale and had a lot of their professors who also taught there. Sure, they were pretty lefty but as long as you have a strong moral compass, they really can’t sway you unless you’re an idiot. I majored in CJ, so I had to deal with all of them making excuses for criminals all day.
Of course I did go at 22 and not 18 like most of the rest of the world, so perhaps they’re a little more susceptible to professor bullshite at that age.
Of course I did go at 22 and not 18 like most of the rest of the world, so perhaps they’re a little more susceptible to professor bullshite at that age.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 7:27 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:44 am to Homesick Tiger
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In 1970, nobility had nothing to do with it. I had an older brother two years ahead of me in college. He paid his own way, his last two years being paid by ROTC. I paid my way by working full time during the summer and part time during school.
The cost of tuition in 1970 was soooooo much cheaper than it is today.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:48 am to i am dan
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You can make a very good living doing manual work too, but it'll never make youb rich.
More millionaires that started in construction and trades than those with 4-year degrees. Your narrow POV is part of the problem.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:52 am to Homesick Tiger
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In 1970, nobility had nothing to do with it.
Well shite. Definitely feel bad for the kids if we’re going to insist on raising them based on how things were in 1970. 
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:54 am to memphis tiger
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Everyone needs a college education is one of the biggest lies we have been told as a society.
The maxim hasn’t been that everyone needs a college education, but that a pathway should exist for everyone who wants to attend college. But I agree with your overall point. We should be telling more high school kids not to go college than encouraging them to do so. But somewhere along the line college entrance became a political correctness/classist issue.
In 2018 we’re at a different place than we were, even as recently as in 2000.
Tuition is rising faster than family income. Today’s college student is more dependent than in the past on loans, creating serious risks.
And as I said before: College is no longer about learning as it’s about training. One need only look at the declining number of tenured faculty (who make universities research institutions) vs the number of adjunct faculty (who earn considerably less) to see the change.
There are alternate paths to success, and we do a disservice to high school kids when we ignore that reality.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:54 am to 4cubbies
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The cost of tuition in 1970 was soooooo much cheaper than it is today.
You mean when minimum age was $1.45?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:54 am to TA2
I look at it like having 2 hunting dogs out of the same high priced litter.
If you are out and one of them falls out of the back of the truck and someone else finds it without knowing the source, it isn't nearly as valuable because it doesn't have papers. It's ability to hunt isn't any less than its littermate that wasn't lost.
Degrees are papers for people.
(I have 2 so this isn't college resentment from not going myself.)
If you are out and one of them falls out of the back of the truck and someone else finds it without knowing the source, it isn't nearly as valuable because it doesn't have papers. It's ability to hunt isn't any less than its littermate that wasn't lost.
Degrees are papers for people.
(I have 2 so this isn't college resentment from not going myself.)
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:55 am to 4cubbies
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The cost of tuition in 1970 was soooooo much cheaper than it is today.
Higher education costs are horribly outpacing inflation, though.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:00 am to Mo Jeaux
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Definitely feel bad for the kids if we’re going to insist on raising them based on how things were in 1970.
So you're saying responsibility in 1970 was interpreted differently than responsibility is interpreted in 2018?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:02 am to Homesick Tiger
I love the irony of a LSU board downgrading the value of college. I suppose those of you who push trades instead of college will be fine with the NFL going to a minor league NFL system and the SEC becoming the equivalent of Non-scholarship FCS.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:03 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Shut up Ralph, nobody cares
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:04 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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I suppose those of you who push trades instead of college will be fine with the NFL going to a minor league NFL system
Holy false equivalence.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:09 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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I love the irony of a LSU board downgrading the value of college. I suppose those of you who push trades instead of college will be fine
Where in my posts have I downgraded the importance of a college education? All of us are not physically fit to play pro football no matter how much we may want to. In turn, many of us are not intellectually fit to attend college no matter how much we think we are.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:11 am to EKG
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Holy false equivalence.
There's no false equivalence. College isn't for everyone and that should apply to those who wish to pursue a career in professional sports. Baseball, hockey, and soon basketball will develop stronger minor league system and the NFL will most likely follow suit.
Most football players will on the LSU roster will never stiff the NFL and the ones who have the talent can develop it in a football minor league system soon. So no need to tell talented football players to go to college since college isn't for everyone and they would be better off learning to be a welder than taking courses at LSU and work toward their degree in sociology and child development.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:12 am to TA2
Most people don't have 200K laying around. And I'm not a fan of taking out huge student debt. I'm a firm believer in having a serious talk with your kid... EARLY. And I mean no later than 7th grade. The discussion should cover a number of subjects...
1. This is how much money we can contribute.
2. This is what your minimum GPA and ACT must be in 12th grade.
3. You can upgrade by going to work part time at 16, getting a scholarship or going ROTC.
Then don't back off of your limits. If the kid isn't motivated to meet your standards he's not ready for a serious college experience.
BTW, my parents had this discussion with my brother and I when were 12. They made it clear that their monetary contribution would be 'zero.' No surprise. We barely had money for food.
I got a lot of full tuition scholarships and worked full time starting at 16.
My brother worked from age 16 and then went ROTC.
1. This is how much money we can contribute.
2. This is what your minimum GPA and ACT must be in 12th grade.
3. You can upgrade by going to work part time at 16, getting a scholarship or going ROTC.
Then don't back off of your limits. If the kid isn't motivated to meet your standards he's not ready for a serious college experience.
BTW, my parents had this discussion with my brother and I when were 12. They made it clear that their monetary contribution would be 'zero.' No surprise. We barely had money for food.
I got a lot of full tuition scholarships and worked full time starting at 16.
My brother worked from age 16 and then went ROTC.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:13 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Gotcha.
I previously didn’t see your point.
Thanks for clarifying.
I previously didn’t see your point.
Thanks for clarifying.
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