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Why is wanting a "businessman" instead of a politician so popular?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:31 pm
I dont really understand this line of logic as it really is circular in nature.
It removes the responsibility the public has to vote for people representing their best interests. If the career politician is so terrible, why is are they constantly voted in. How did they manage to stay in politics so long? It seems that voters either are apathetic or are easily betrayed.
The businessman is use to a different structure. If you are an executive, you answer to nobody except shareholders. Government is about compromise and negotiation. The hierarchy is given by public consensus not private donors.
I think the idea that businessmen will try to run a lean operation when it comes to government spending. The major concern is that a businessman will be focused on profits instead of the concerns of their constituency. Profit motive is not inherently the best option for specific situations.
It removes the responsibility the public has to vote for people representing their best interests. If the career politician is so terrible, why is are they constantly voted in. How did they manage to stay in politics so long? It seems that voters either are apathetic or are easily betrayed.
The businessman is use to a different structure. If you are an executive, you answer to nobody except shareholders. Government is about compromise and negotiation. The hierarchy is given by public consensus not private donors.
I think the idea that businessmen will try to run a lean operation when it comes to government spending. The major concern is that a businessman will be focused on profits instead of the concerns of their constituency. Profit motive is not inherently the best option for specific situations.
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:33 pm to volod
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The businessman is use to a different structure. If you are an executive, you answer to nobody except shareholders.
What exactly are voters/citizens if not “shareholders” in a society?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:33 pm to volod
Because Politicians go into office and then come out very wealthy. Trump is only one going in and losing money. ALL Politicians are corrupt to a certain extent.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:35 pm to volod
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Government is about compromise and negotiation.
It is? When was the last time any Democrat negotiated or compromised? Business leaders don't compromise or negotiate (i.e. "make deals")?
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:35 pm to volod
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If the career politician is so terrible, why is are they constantly voted in. How did they manage to stay in politics so long?
A. It's never your politician that's the problem. It's all the other ones.
B. They stay in office because they bribe their constituents with taxpayer dollars. Which results in A.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:36 pm to volod
Most politicians on the national level are attorneys by "trade".
Attorney's debate and argue well but businessmen solve problems. Attorney's by and large look for problems while businessmen look for solutions.
Attorney's debate and argue well but businessmen solve problems. Attorney's by and large look for problems while businessmen look for solutions.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:38 pm to volod
Because people are morons.
If you’re voting Rispone for Gov because he’s a “businessman”, then logic holds you would vote for Bloomberg or Steyer for POTUS since both are vastly more successful businessmen.
If you’re voting Rispone for Gov because he’s a “businessman”, then logic holds you would vote for Bloomberg or Steyer for POTUS since both are vastly more successful businessmen.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:40 pm to volod
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If the career politician is so terrible, why is are they constantly voted in. How did they manage to stay in politics so long?
Yea there are no special interests or anything dirty going on in politics.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:40 pm to volod
maybe because with a "businessman" as president my 401k return is over 20% right now, when I was lucky to be sniffing around 10% with community organizers and political families previously
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:41 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Attorney's by and large look for problems while businessmen and attorneys look for solutions.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:41 pm to Rock the Casbah
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If you’re voting Rispone for Gov because he’s a “businessman”, then logic holds you would vote for Bloomberg or Steyer for POTUS since both are vastly more successful businessmen.
While I agree voting for someone because they’re a businessman is stupid, this is just a dumb of a premise. You also want someone that shares your values.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:43 pm to Motorboat
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Attorney's by and large look for problems while businessmen and attorneys look for solutions.
Real attorneys, yes, but not the personal injury attorneys.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:46 pm to volod
There is no such animal as a bottom line to a politician.
that is why they can taut the new green deal and it's 11 trillion-dollar price tag and 62 trillion for universal healthcare with zero regards for where the money is coming from.
A businessman generally dwells in a more realistic world.
that is why they can taut the new green deal and it's 11 trillion-dollar price tag and 62 trillion for universal healthcare with zero regards for where the money is coming from.
A businessman generally dwells in a more realistic world.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:47 pm to volod
My opinion is that a good businessman/ entrepreneur will have had to make difficult decisions to reach a long lasting record of success.
Overall far too many politicians learn how to give away taxpayer money to constituents as well as grease the skids to allow shady business dealings that most taxpayers don't approve of.
I do believe there are some good politicians who look to promote ideals based of off the constitution and make life better for all.
Overall far too many politicians learn how to give away taxpayer money to constituents as well as grease the skids to allow shady business dealings that most taxpayers don't approve of.
I do believe there are some good politicians who look to promote ideals based of off the constitution and make life better for all.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:50 pm to volod
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think the idea that businessmen will try to run a lean operation when it comes to government spending.
This is a huge part of why people who work in private industry want business men in government.
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The major concern is that a businessman will be focused on profits instead of the concerns of their constituency.
Doing the best job possible at the cheapest cost (ie fewest taxes is always beneficial to the tax paying constituents.
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Profit motive is not inherently the best option for specific situations.
It is if you can get a job done that costs the tax payers less
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:51 pm to volod
Most career politicians are lawyers. Enough said.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:51 pm to volod
It’s working in the White House
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:53 pm to volod
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Why is wanting a "businessman" instead of a politician so popular?Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:31 pm
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I dont really understand this line of logic as it really is circular in nature.
it's not a matter of logic so much as it is political rhetoric. When you're running for office you use what you have.
If you're a longtime politician, your argument is experience. If you are not, your argument is that you're a fresh face and an outsider- and therefore you are begging people to make you a not so fresh face and an insider.
Saying "I'm a businessman and a problem solver" has worked for lots of candidates, and failed for a bunch too. As slogans go, it's not a bad one.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:53 pm to volod
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:54 pm to Motorboat
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and attorneys
I have worked with a lot of attorneys and very, very damn few of them are solution orientated. So few none would not be inaccurate.
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