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re: Why is helping Ukraine in our national interest?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:22 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:22 am to Vacherie Saint
That's the point. We should have put a stop to them before it went this far. We should have stepped in when they invaded Crimea and Georgia
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:31 am to boxcar willie
why?
We tried diplomacy and whispered promises of sanctions being lifted AFTER the Georgia war. Just a year after Putin took Georgia, we scuttled a plans to erect a missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Rep - purely to appease Putin. We didnt care then, but we care now? What's changed? What is it about Ukraine that we must empty the treasury in the middle of a recession to protect? Be specific.
We tried diplomacy and whispered promises of sanctions being lifted AFTER the Georgia war. Just a year after Putin took Georgia, we scuttled a plans to erect a missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Rep - purely to appease Putin. We didnt care then, but we care now? What's changed? What is it about Ukraine that we must empty the treasury in the middle of a recession to protect? Be specific.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:34 am to Bunk Moreland
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The fact that we are risking nuclear war over eastern Ukraine is crazy
What is worth risking nuclear war with Russia? Serious question, because this threat is always present.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:36 am to Plx1776
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When ISIS was sweeping across a couple countries, murdering non-muslims on a massive scale.. we turned the other way and ignored it. Our government seemed pissed off when trump focused on getting rid of ISIS. We watch as active slave trades exist in parts of Africa. We watch and do nothing as rebel groups destroy countless innocent lives in Africa and the middle east. The innocent lives of black and brown people mean nothing to us, we pretend nothing was happening. But white Ukrainians, we enter the ring and demand nothing happen to them. We even unite with other majority white countries to pressure Russia to stop.
If these people you speak of had $$$, we’d be in their shite too.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
we could have told BoJo to STFU and allowed peace negotiations to go forward... and we'd be out of this by now.
Instead, we are more "at risk" of a hot war with Russia than ever.
Instead, we are more "at risk" of a hot war with Russia than ever.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:37 am to Vacherie Saint
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What is it about Ukraine that we must empty the treasury in the middle of a recession to protect?
Russia hadn't directly invaded without provocation until Ukraine.
Russia created fake civil wars previously (like Georgia) to make itself present in the conflict (and tried to get that talking point to take hold in Ukraine with the "Ukraine was killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas", but it didn't work).
Russia invading Ukraine is the most destabilizing international act since the US invasion of Iraq 18 years ago. And Russia is looking to actually seize the territory it invaded, which hasn't happened since the early Cold War.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:37 am to Vacherie Saint
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we could have told BoJo to STFU and allowed peace negotiations to go forward... and we'd be out of this by now.
We'd be "out of this" by having US troops on the ground in Ukraine (at least areas of 2021 Ukraine)
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia hadn't directly invaded without provocation until Ukraine.
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Russia created fake civil wars previously (like Georgia) to make itself present in the conflict
a rose by any other name...
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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We'd be "out of this" by having US troops on the ground in Ukraine (at least areas of 2021 Ukraine)
so much for not wanting a nuclear war with Russian, right SFP?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:39 am to Padme
Think of all the wars the US has been in since WW2, there has been 2 things they have all had in common, money and regime change that really is rooted in money.
Why are we always involved in these wars, half way across the world that we really have no business being involved in?
Korea, Vietnam, Lebannon, Kuwait, Somali, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
The war in Ukraine is no different than anyone of those wars, regime change. The problem is Putin will not go down without a fight and without a fight with nukes!
Why are we always involved in these wars, half way across the world that we really have no business being involved in?
Korea, Vietnam, Lebannon, Kuwait, Somali, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
The war in Ukraine is no different than anyone of those wars, regime change. The problem is Putin will not go down without a fight and without a fight with nukes!
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:40 am to Vacherie Saint
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a rose by any other name...
Russia creating fake civil wars gave it the cover to pretend it didn't create the conflict, and we let the lie become the truth...even into 2014 in Crimea.
But a direct invasion? That raised the stakes.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:41 am to Vacherie Saint
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so much for not wanting a nuclear war with Russian, right SFP?
I don't want a nuclear war with Russia. That's Russia's decision (regardless of Ukraine).
I don't want US boots on the ground, either, which the deal that BoJo/Biden scuttled would have relied on. Is that what you want? Would that be in the US's interests?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:42 am to BamaMamaof2
we were willing to accept this monster and his antics for the last several decades. The difference now is two-fold: Russia has been rebranded in the US as an existential threat (via the Trump nonsense) and the Ukraine is a massive honey hole for the political lifers that are currently making these decisions.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:42 am to BamaMamaof2
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Why are we always involved in these wars, half way across the world that we really have no business being involved in?
The Cold War (which eventually was a huge victory)
Then fighting Islamicism (which was a huge failure)
Ukraine doesn't fit with either paradigm, because outright invasion has been very rare since WW2
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't want US boots on the ground, either, which the deal that BoJo/Biden scuttled would have relied on. Is that what you want? Would that be in the US's interests?
Boots on the ground in peace time versus boots on the ground during a hot war? That's an easy call, pal. And we could have attempted to negotiate our way out of that feature, but we never tried.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:46 am to Vacherie Saint
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And we could have attempted to negotiate our way out of that feature, but we never tried.
We weren't allowed in the room
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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We weren't allowed in the room
LOL. Then the money stops.
This isnt hard.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:51 am to Vacherie Saint
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LOL. Then the money stops.
I think that conversation basically happened.
Let us negotiate our roles or you can go on your own.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:illustrating the pathetic warmongering of ObamaNulandBioweaponslabs...
What is worth risking nuclear war with Russia? Serious question, because this threat is always present.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:52 am to Tiger985
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If the result ends up being global thermonuclear war in which millions or tens of millions or hundreds of millions of people die they would consider it worth it.
Until they get vaporized themselves.
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