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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:57 am to Stringer Bell
When did we pass laws making it illegal for "crazies" to own guns? Unless the "crazies" have a criminal record, there are no laws to prevent them from obtaining guns. So defending the rights of legal gun owners includes defending the rights of those "crazies" who do not have criminal records.
What is the objective standard for being "crazy"? Who makes the determination, and what are the procedures for objecting to such a determination? Is it possible to contemplate a situation in which those responsible for determining "crazy" target people for their politics like the IRS has done? Do you suppose the NRA contemplates just such a possibility?
What is the objective standard for being "crazy"? Who makes the determination, and what are the procedures for objecting to such a determination? Is it possible to contemplate a situation in which those responsible for determining "crazy" target people for their politics like the IRS has done? Do you suppose the NRA contemplates just such a possibility?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:58 am to Stringer Bell
Two words: slippery slope. Give liberal progressives an inch and they take a mile. While mental health screening seems prudent, there are many aspects of life where the mentally ill should be identified. But hell, liberals don't even want a picture id for voter identification and they want to issue drivers licenses to criminals aka illegal aliens.
When you have adversarial relationships in politics, everything boils down to ideological agendas. Politics in the U.S. used to be about compromise. Now with the liberal progressive movement in control, it's their way or the highway. They have placed themselves on the moral and mentally superior high-ground on every issue so from their perspective they are simply right/correct and conservatives are simply wrong/incorrect. They never acknowledge any facts/data to the contrary and they have the good old liberal news media to tout their successes and suppress their failures.
When you have adversarial relationships in politics, everything boils down to ideological agendas. Politics in the U.S. used to be about compromise. Now with the liberal progressive movement in control, it's their way or the highway. They have placed themselves on the moral and mentally superior high-ground on every issue so from their perspective they are simply right/correct and conservatives are simply wrong/incorrect. They never acknowledge any facts/data to the contrary and they have the good old liberal news media to tout their successes and suppress their failures.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:59 am to Lakeboy7
how is that funny?
this elliot rodger kid wasn't a right wing NRA'er
he was a leftist narcissist that legally owned weapons by passing multiple background checks.
this elliot rodger kid wasn't a right wing NRA'er
he was a leftist narcissist that legally owned weapons by passing multiple background checks.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:01 am to Stringer Bell
A ton of our vets have *mental health* problems, and seek professional help to live with em'. Yet being highly disciplined, and HONORABLE...most shoot themselves instead of blaming society.
These are exactly the kind of folk that Obama/Progs/Napolitano fears. Because they are skilled, committed...and an imminent and existential threat to...aspiring tyrants.
And we all know who they are.
Off subject, but related. Somebody ought to start a thread re the NSA. Heard on Fox that Snowden reporter is due to release the NAMES LIST of them that the NSA targeted. Think Cruz will be on there? Tea Party?
I'm out.

These are exactly the kind of folk that Obama/Progs/Napolitano fears. Because they are skilled, committed...and an imminent and existential threat to...aspiring tyrants.
Off subject, but related. Somebody ought to start a thread re the NSA. Heard on Fox that Snowden reporter is due to release the NAMES LIST of them that the NSA targeted. Think Cruz will be on there? Tea Party?
I'm out.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:02 am to monsterballads
quote:Wait he wasn't a white Tea Partier with a lifetime membership in the NRA?
he was a leftist narcissist that legally owned weapons by passing multiple background checks.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:03 am to Jbird
nope, and neither were the people responsible for the 19 shootings in nola over the weekend if I had to guess 
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:04 am to davesdawgs
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liberals don't even want a picture id for voter identification and they want to issue drivers licenses to criminals aka illegal aliens.
This says it all. They are completely backwards. I have heard a few times the movement that will stop them being called illegal aliens as it ostracizes them.
This country is getting worse.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:05 am to Stringer Bell
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I would think that an organization that prides itself in standing up for legal gun owners would make this a priority to help prevent the crazies from getting guns and harming people.
frick that. I should not be subjected to a mental health screen by the government to own a product. Am I Winston Smith?
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:05 am to monsterballads
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pe, and neither were the people responsible for the 19 shootings in nola over the weekend if I had to guess
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:07 am to Stringer Bell
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If that's the case why do we need IDs, insurance, etc.? Not mentioned in USC. It should when the right gives mentally unstable people the access to kill.
Apparently someone never took high school civics.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:10 am to monsterballads
Yea another civil rights thread whoohoo,
see libs dont give a shite about infringing on your rights, they think all gun owners are crazy rednecks they have stereotyped and they believe they are superior. That is why they feel they can diminish your rights, or invade your privacy all in the name of safety for the common good of all.
*once again please do some research before you come here with the "background checks for all" "mental screening for all" bullshite. If you dont know what you are talking about please gtfo
see libs dont give a shite about infringing on your rights, they think all gun owners are crazy rednecks they have stereotyped and they believe they are superior. That is why they feel they can diminish your rights, or invade your privacy all in the name of safety for the common good of all.
*once again please do some research before you come here with the "background checks for all" "mental screening for all" bullshite. If you dont know what you are talking about please gtfo
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:11 am to SECMAN16
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I do believe that the OP's question has merit. After all, I do believe that everyone can agree that we do not want "crazy" people who will hurt people to have access to firearms.
I believe people can be legally committed if they have been found to be a danger to themselves or others. So it is already law.
Restricting someone due to an ignorant view of mental illness is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:12 am to Colonel Flagg
he killed his three roomates with a knife.
should there be mental screens for people to buy a knife?
should there be mental screens for people to buy a knife?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:13 am to Stringer Bell
Oh look....I found your picture. I figured I would show it to everyone in the thread....
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:15 am to Colonel Flagg
quote:yep in CA its called a 5150 or 5250
I believe people can be legally committed if they have been found to be a danger to themselves or others. So it is already law.
Restricting someone due to an ignorant view of mental illness is ridiculous.
What these moronic libs do not understand is having the fedgov regulate a constitutional right as a health issue. Do they even see the issue here? and that right will be granted by the fedgov, where are my rights, they just evaporated
Also, who says what is mentally unstable, there are millions of americans who could fall under this. So the fedgov decides again who is unstable and who is not? again where did my rkba go?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:16 am to Stringer Bell
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Stringer Bell
Mentally unstable or crazy? Slope is quite slippery don't you think?
Please provide a precise, operational definition describing an individual who is too crazy to own a gun.
Bonus points if you can provide an accurate and objective measure that will correctly assess and predict so-called mentally unstable person or persons from engaging in violent behavior with their gun, knife, wiffle bat, and so on.
Who will do the assessment? What will his or her political position be on gun ownership? How do you account for people who "go crazy" after they have passed this assessment?
No offense, but when shite like this gets suggested I just laugh at the absurdity of it.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:20 am to Paluka
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No offense, but when shite like this gets suggested I just laugh at the absurdity of it.
same
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:26 am to mmcgrath
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quote: Why hasn't the NRA endorsed mental health screens for gun owners? Because they would lose half of their membership.
I think you've touched on the biggest problem... most gun owners are probably suffering from clinical paranoia... combined in quite a few, judging from the frequency of mass murders in this country, from sociopathy.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:28 am to Rex
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I think you've touched on the biggest problem... most gun owners are probably suffering from clinical paranoia... combined in quite a few, judging from the frequency of mass murders in this country, from sociopathy.
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