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re: Why do Trump’s attorneys always suck?
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:12 am to Pecker
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:12 am to Pecker
quote:
Hiring a team of people who have no experience navigating the legal/political system is not the best strategy when you're going up against the federal government.
Be honest. There are no rules on this kangaroos court. At least a real federal court follows some rules and protocol. They are just making it up as they go with this senate trial.
I mean from the get go you have a presiding judge that's not only on the jury he has communicated his vote without even hearing one point from the defense or prosecution yet.
It really is a kangaroo fricking court.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:12 am to 4evrlsu
First, I am not sure where you find a lawyer that is an expert in defending a show trial that is based on no discovery, evidentiary rules or due process where the goalposts shift throughout because your opponent is also the person making the rules, and the referee.
Second, I will still never get over that an associate at Kirkland and Ellis (one of the largest and most prestigious law firms in the country) called a veteran solo practitioner and made death threats against her for having enrolled as counsel of record on Trump's behalf two days after another of the largest and most prestigious firms in the country made as statement to the New York Times lamabasting their own client (violating the most basic rules of ethics) and saying that they withdrew because of pressure from other clients (not because of the merits but because elitist snobs hate Trump).
The response of the legal profession to the entire election and aftermath has been disappointing to me to say the least. At least those dudes had the balls to show up.
I didn't watch yesterday, so I have no idea what happened - but from what I can tell from Tigerdroppings is that the Decmocrats showed up with some video about January 6, when Trump's lawyers were informed that they were having an argument day about contsitutionality of the procedure.
There's no judge and basically no due process involved in this utter sham of a shite show. So, i am not sure what lawyer would want to risk death threats, professional alienation and a malpractice claim for trying a case where the predetermined outcome is bad for you, and bad for your client.
Second, I will still never get over that an associate at Kirkland and Ellis (one of the largest and most prestigious law firms in the country) called a veteran solo practitioner and made death threats against her for having enrolled as counsel of record on Trump's behalf two days after another of the largest and most prestigious firms in the country made as statement to the New York Times lamabasting their own client (violating the most basic rules of ethics) and saying that they withdrew because of pressure from other clients (not because of the merits but because elitist snobs hate Trump).
The response of the legal profession to the entire election and aftermath has been disappointing to me to say the least. At least those dudes had the balls to show up.
I didn't watch yesterday, so I have no idea what happened - but from what I can tell from Tigerdroppings is that the Decmocrats showed up with some video about January 6, when Trump's lawyers were informed that they were having an argument day about contsitutionality of the procedure.
There's no judge and basically no due process involved in this utter sham of a shite show. So, i am not sure what lawyer would want to risk death threats, professional alienation and a malpractice claim for trying a case where the predetermined outcome is bad for you, and bad for your client.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:14 am to 4evrlsu
quote:Because Trump is a control freak, who insists upon micro-management in areas (such as the law) FAR outside his acknowledged area of expertise (marketing real estate).
Why do Trump’s attorneys always suck?
Competent professionals do NOT want to be micro-managed by incompetent amateurs, ESPECIALLY when that micro-management will cause them to look foolish on national television.
Dershowitz was the obvious exception. He is just so damned well-respected, that (miraculously) Trump got out of the way and let the man do his job. And a Hell of a job he did.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:18 am to KiwiHead
quote:It's well known that he often, unwittingly, undermines the efforts of his attorneys. He initially had some very competent attorneys on board who were willing to take on his case for election fraud. He lost them when Rudy and Sidney Powell decided to try the case on Twitter and in the press
Actually his 1st Impeahment team was pretty good. But, Donald Trump is a very hard client to deal with purportedly. He does not listen to counsel....he expects counsel to listen to him. Even on matters of which he is not expert.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:18 am to KiwiHead
Now the leftists POSs on this board will explain why certain people in America are no longer entitled to legal representation.
The GD chief justice is REQUIRED to preside, and isn't, so the thing is non binding and illegitimate to begin with. So now let's just intimidate all the lawyers who might defend him.
Democrats are the scum of the earth.
The GD chief justice is REQUIRED to preside, and isn't, so the thing is non binding and illegitimate to begin with. So now let's just intimidate all the lawyers who might defend him.
Democrats are the scum of the earth.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:23 am to RiverCityTider
quote:
The GD chief justice is REQUIRED to preside,
This board's absolute obsession with this argument is becoming entertaining at this point.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:28 am to Wednesday
Wednesday, Trump needs to hire you. If he doesn't pay you we'll start a go fund me.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:31 am to GumboPot
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Then hire incompetent lawyers.
he seems to be doing a pretty good job of that here lately
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:35 am to 4evrlsu
Roy Cohn didn't suck.
Oh, wait a minute....I guess he did.
NVM
Oh, wait a minute....I guess he did.
NVM
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:39 am to PsychTiger
Any monkey with good sense could run this shite show. This isn't a trial, forget the legalese and mumbo jumbo this is PR and playing for the cameras, the outcome is already determined.
What you do is go on OFFENSE. You tell the truth about Officer Sicknick. You tell the truth about the people already planning to break into the Capitol pre speech. You ask where was security when they knew this was coming? What did the Speaker know and when did she know it?
You make damn sure that Trump calling for a peaceful asembly gets out there no more letting them pick and choose pieces of his speech. Go after that GD Schumer for threatening SCOTUS and show video of people pounding on the door of the Supreme Court, and ask why we aren't impeaching HIM?
Time to go to war. Take off the gloves.
What you do is go on OFFENSE. You tell the truth about Officer Sicknick. You tell the truth about the people already planning to break into the Capitol pre speech. You ask where was security when they knew this was coming? What did the Speaker know and when did she know it?
You make damn sure that Trump calling for a peaceful asembly gets out there no more letting them pick and choose pieces of his speech. Go after that GD Schumer for threatening SCOTUS and show video of people pounding on the door of the Supreme Court, and ask why we aren't impeaching HIM?
Time to go to war. Take off the gloves.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:40 am to Pecker
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He lost them when Rudy and Sidney Powell decided to try the case on Twitter and in the press
This isn’t true.
He lost his (airquotes) decent lawyers when Big Business, China and the Uniparty joined together to pressure, if not engage in outright extortion until the “socially acceptable” lawyers off quit his election case. It is about the most unprofessional, and unethical thing I can imagine.
Rudy is probably a drunk, but who knows. Sidney Powell was basically having to work this massive litigation on her own. Typos are understandable.
At least they stuck by their own client and didn’t refuse to represent him bc it might piss off China, and defame him when withdrawing at the worst possible time.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:41 am to PsychTiger
quote:cringe
Wednesday, Trump needs to hire you
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:48 am to 4evrlsu
I haven’t watched today at all.
The first attorney yesterday was terrible, but what’s the beef against Schoen? I’m no attorney and I was somewhat distracted yesterday while watching, but I thought Schoen’s presentation was compelling (maybe it was just his theatrics).
From a legal perspective where did his argument fall short?
The first attorney yesterday was terrible, but what’s the beef against Schoen? I’m no attorney and I was somewhat distracted yesterday while watching, but I thought Schoen’s presentation was compelling (maybe it was just his theatrics).
From a legal perspective where did his argument fall short?
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:54 am to RiverCityTider
quote:Absolutely NO ONE on this forum has taken that position.
Now the leftists POSs on this board will explain why certain people in America are no longer entitled to legal representation.
quote:The most-competent attorney to have represented Trump to date (Dershowitz) has opined that CJOTUS is PROHIBITED from presiding in this matter.
The GD chief justice is REQUIRED to preside, and isn't, so the thing is non binding and illegitimate to begin with. So now let's just intimidate all the lawyers who might defend him.
But thanks for your well-informed input.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:55 am to Wednesday
quote:Yes it is.
This isn’t true.
Your infatuation with Sidney Powell as a Joan of Arc type hero notwithstanding
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:56 am to Indefatigable
quote:Some talk-radio jock with a GED probably said this, and they have taken it to heart.quote:This board's absolute obsession with this argument is becoming entertaining at this point.
The GD chief justice is REQUIRED to preside,
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:57 am to 4evrlsu
Because he isn't sophisticated enough to know who is good and who is not, when it comes to the rejects that remain who would actually work for him.
Sorry if that hurts anybody's feelings or butt.
Sorry if that hurts anybody's feelings or butt.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:57 am to AggieHank86
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Absolutely NO ONE on this forum has taken that position.
Hank - God love ya - but this isn't true.
Someone on this thread indicated that they believe Trump doesn't deserve a defense because somehow it is an "indefensible" position that a President who is no longer in office cannot be convicted of Impeachment (based on no evidence just emotion).
ETA - sorry - Boozie didn't say "indefensible" he said "untenable."
quote:
Because competent folks don’t want to advance untenable positions.
The implication is that somehow Trump having a defense to this impeachment sham is "untenable." And that's from an alleged attorney.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:03 pm to Wednesday
quote:This should be good...
an alleged attorney
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:06 pm to 4evrlsu
Because he’s a mob boss-mentality criminal and snake oil salesman con artist who doesn’t pay his bills.
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