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Why do they call abortion rights "reproductive rights"? Only one thing is being contended!
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:41 am
I am all for anyone's right to reproduce. Go nuts!
I'm just not particularly cool with abortion.
Freedom to reproduce is legal in all 50 states, with no restrictions. . .if I'm not mistaken.
I'm just not particularly cool with abortion.
Freedom to reproduce is legal in all 50 states, with no restrictions. . .if I'm not mistaken.
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Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:43 am to Roaad
It's about framing the narrative. If they called it "baby killing" it wouldn't be as palatable as "reproductive rights".
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:47 am to Roaad
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Freedom to reproduce is legal in all 50 states, with no restrictions. . .if I'm not mistaken.
It amazes me that reproductive rights only comes up for women. Notice they never talk about abortion in other instances.
1. If a father wants to opt out and give up his paternity rights/obligation, he is denied. But if a woman wants abortion, its acceptable. Why is that fair.
2. If the father wants the baby but the mom doesn't, the mom will win out if she wants abortion, why?
Wouldn't it be more fair in either scenario to just ban abortion and make everyone involved responsible.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:48 am to Roaad
They have to use more neutral terms so that the general populace won’t realize how much of a blight on humanity these people are.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:48 am to Roaad
You have freedom to choose who you associate with.....choice
You have freedom to choose who you sleep with.....choice
Once you decide to bang someone you have all kinds of birth control to choose from(free if like).....choice
Don't fall for the rape/incest canard......I'm just discussing 99% of abortions.
I'd be thrilled to exchange rape/incest exceptions for an end to murder on demand.
You have freedom to choose who you sleep with.....choice
Once you decide to bang someone you have all kinds of birth control to choose from(free if like).....choice
Don't fall for the rape/incest canard......I'm just discussing 99% of abortions.
I'd be thrilled to exchange rape/incest exceptions for an end to murder on demand.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:56 am to FooManChoo
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It's about framing the narrative. If they called it "baby killing" it wouldn't be as palatable as "reproductive rights".
Both sides dishonestly frame the other and claim the other is hiding its true agenda - killing babies or controlling/subjugating women - while their group is the only honest folks that mean what they say. The truth is one side is pro-choice, because they feel it is a woman's body at risk and the other side is pro-life because they feel that the unborn life is at stake. The polls indicate the country, for the most part sits squarely in the middle and thinks abortion should be an option in the very early stages of pregnancy.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:01 am to cwill
quote:False. Something like 99% of the abortions performed are for reasons other than risk of bodily harm to the mother. Abortion isn't legal for health risks only.
The truth is one side is pro-choice, because they feel it is a woman's body at risk
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:01 am to Roaad
For the same reason they it's called the Dept of Defense instead of the more accurate name: War Dept.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:03 am to FooManChoo
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False. Something like 99% of the abortions performed are for reasons other than risk of bodily harm to the mother. Abortion isn't legal for health risks only.
You didn't read that correctly...the risk of pregnancy, generally, not a specific risk.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:04 am to Roaad
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Why do they call abortion rights "reproductive rights"?
Because it turns a losing argument into a winning one. Here:
Q: Do you support the right of a person to kill a baby?
A: HELL NO
Q: Do you support the rights of women to chose their own timing and process when they can get pregnant and have children?
A: HELL YES
Lying is the only way the eviltards on the left can win this
This post was edited on 6/14/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:10 am to cwill
quote:Again, at risk for what? Pregnancy? There's no risk of pregnancy when you're already pregnant. That bridge has already been crossed by the time you're considering an abortion.
You didn't read that correctly...the risk of pregnancy, generally, not a specific risk
So what you're saying is that the "pro-choice" side is all about abortion as a birth control method?
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:11 am to Roaad
Abortion has nothing to do with reproductive rights. Reproduction has already occurred at conception. It’s about opposing the murder of human organisms, not opposing the right to create them.
It’s a proven scientific fact that human organisms are created at conception.
Either you believe all human organisms are created with equal inherent/natural rights,
or,
you believe we merely have privileges that are arbitrarily granted by whoever happens to be ruling over us at the moment that can discriminate however they feel like.
The woman’s body plays a significant role in creating new life too, regardless of her knowing or intending it to happen. She forces her offspring into a temporary situation of life dependency and therefore she is responsible for safely getting her offspring through it.
It’s a proven scientific fact that human organisms are created at conception.
Either you believe all human organisms are created with equal inherent/natural rights,
or,
you believe we merely have privileges that are arbitrarily granted by whoever happens to be ruling over us at the moment that can discriminate however they feel like.
The woman’s body plays a significant role in creating new life too, regardless of her knowing or intending it to happen. She forces her offspring into a temporary situation of life dependency and therefore she is responsible for safely getting her offspring through it.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:12 am to volod
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volod
Bravo!
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:16 am to FooManChoo
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Again, at risk for what? Pregnancy? There's no risk of pregnancy when you're already pregnant. That bridge has already been crossed by the time you're considering an abortion.
So what you're saying is that the "pro-choice" side is all about abortion as a birth control method?
Being pregnant and carrying a child to term necessarily involves some risk to the health and well-being of the mother...therefore, the argument is that she should have full control of her body to the point of deciding not to continue with the pregnancy.
Do you honestly believe that abortion rights advocates are actually pursuing an agenda with a goal to murder babies?
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:19 am to cwill
quote:I suspect that he read it just fine. He simply wanted to direct the response only towards that portion of “health“ that he could contest.
You didn't read that correctly...the risk of pregnancy, generally, not a specific risk.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:21 am to FooManChoo
quote:pregnancy is hard on the female body. Further, carrying a pregnancy to full-term makes changes in the body which will remain with the woman for the remainder of her life. These are the health issues that he is talking about.
Again, at risk for what? Pregnancy? There's no risk of pregnancy when you're already pregnant. That bridge has already been crossed by the time you're considering an abortion.
This post was edited on 6/14/19 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:23 am to Roaad
Abortion rights are a subset of the broader set of reproductive rights. Yes, some people choose to use the latter term when discussing abortion entirely for rhetorical purposes. Exactly the same reason that some people say “pro-life“ rather than “anti-abortion.“
This post was edited on 6/14/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:30 am to TigerWhatIR
quote:false dichotomy
Either you believe all human organisms are created with equal inherent/natural rights,
or,
you believe we merely have privileges that are arbitrarily granted by whoever happens to be ruling over us at the moment that can discriminate however they feel like.
Sapient beings have certain inherent rights. Those rights vest with… sapience. Since an early term fetus is not remotely sapient, those rights have not yet vested.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
Wrong. The human zygote has human DNA and therefore is a human/sapient organism.
Just because it doesn’t look or act like you yet doesn’t mean it’s not a human organism. Same goes for black adults that don’t look like you.
Just because it doesn’t look or act like you yet doesn’t mean it’s not a human organism. Same goes for black adults that don’t look like you.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:43 am to Roaad
When I hear "Reproductive Rights" I start thinking about free IVF procedures and such, not abortion.
That's actually where I think the GOP could outflank Democrats on the issue and could help themselves with the Suburban mothers that help swing women. Advocate that corporations & health care providers should be more concerned about helping women who actually want to have babies but can't due to the high cost of fertility.
If the GOP started pushing forward on that issue, liberals' heads would explode.
That's actually where I think the GOP could outflank Democrats on the issue and could help themselves with the Suburban mothers that help swing women. Advocate that corporations & health care providers should be more concerned about helping women who actually want to have babies but can't due to the high cost of fertility.
If the GOP started pushing forward on that issue, liberals' heads would explode.
This post was edited on 6/14/19 at 11:45 am
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