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re: Why do states with high average IQ vote D while states with low average IQ vote R
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:24 am to LordSaintly
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:24 am to LordSaintly
quote:Discuss this.
I'm necessarily disagreeing with you. I don't think "demographics" is ithe wrong answer, I just don't think it's a interesting answer. It only scratches the surface, IMO.
Rank Poverty Rates / Rank Percentage of Black Population
#1 Mississippi 21.9% / #2 Mississippi 37.30%
#2 New Mexico 20.6% / #1 New Mexico 48.0% (Hispanic)
#3 Louisiana 19.9% / #3 Louisiana 32.4%
#4 Alabama 19.2% / #7 Alabama 26.38%
#5 Kentucky 19.0% / #25 Kentucky 8.2%
#6 Arkansas 18.7% / #13 Arkansas 15.76%
#7 D.C. 18.4% / #1 D.C. 50.08%
#8 Georgia 18.4% / #4 Georgia 31.4%
#11 Tennessee 18.2% / #11 Tennessee 16.78%
#12 South Carolina 17.9% / #6 South Carolina 28.48%
Outliers are NM and KY.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:29 am to Machine
Because clearly, education and intelligence does not equate to learning, but being educated.
There are lots of very educated dumb asses in this world of ours. Some of the brightest men ever were part of the third Reich and followed a severely flawed ideology into the abyss. Being educated and intelligent does not mean you make good decisions politically.
There are lots of very educated dumb asses in this world of ours. Some of the brightest men ever were part of the third Reich and followed a severely flawed ideology into the abyss. Being educated and intelligent does not mean you make good decisions politically.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:31 am to Machine
OP should have his opinions disregarded for life.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:34 am to Mike da Tigah
I'm just dropping in to the thread to see if we are still pretending that even if one could solidly calculate the average IQs within a state that this says what the OP thinks it says.
"States" don't have IQs.
Moreover, "average" IQs aren't terribly informative when looking at it anyway.
I just as an illustrative example.
Which group would you prefer apply themselves to a problem.
Group 1
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
Group 2
70
70
70
70
136
136
136
136
136
136
"States" don't have IQs.
Moreover, "average" IQs aren't terribly informative when looking at it anyway.
I just as an illustrative example.
Which group would you prefer apply themselves to a problem.
Group 1
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
110
Group 2
70
70
70
70
136
136
136
136
136
136
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:38 am to ShortyRob
Group 2 is probably going to be too busy dealing with the four imbeciles to get anything productive done toward solving the problem, so I'd probably go with 1.
I'm not sure if that's what you were going for, but I'd say, in a way, it's sort of illustrative of what we're dealing with in some places.
I'm not sure if that's what you were going for, but I'd say, in a way, it's sort of illustrative of what we're dealing with in some places.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
This troll thread has proved to be a quite interesting read.
Ive seen theories that the Greeks and Romans looked much different than they do now back in antiquity.
I dont necessarily 100% buy the cold vs warm climate or the agricultural arguments. I think it could be a mix of both. Its very interesting that Jews have such a good IQ. In addition to just being intelligent they are certainly creative and clever as well...yet they have been subjegated many different times over the course of history.
What has always intrigued me is how massive wars like WW1, WW2 have affected the gene pool of countries like Germany. How many of that country's best, brightest, and bravest never lived to procreate post those two wars? Is that why it seems like such a feminized society now?
Ive seen theories that the Greeks and Romans looked much different than they do now back in antiquity.
I dont necessarily 100% buy the cold vs warm climate or the agricultural arguments. I think it could be a mix of both. Its very interesting that Jews have such a good IQ. In addition to just being intelligent they are certainly creative and clever as well...yet they have been subjegated many different times over the course of history.
What has always intrigued me is how massive wars like WW1, WW2 have affected the gene pool of countries like Germany. How many of that country's best, brightest, and bravest never lived to procreate post those two wars? Is that why it seems like such a feminized society now?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:50 am to Y.A. Tittle
First let me say that I'm a centrist.
Why do Democrats claim to be the party of science and go on about global warming, but when it comes to people and IQ, it's simply racism?
You can't fix a problem until you understand what the problem is, and go back to where the problem started and why it started in the first place.
Yet we keep throwing more and more money and assistance to poor and low IQ people like it's going to change.
Why do Democrats claim to be the party of science and go on about global warming, but when it comes to people and IQ, it's simply racism?
You can't fix a problem until you understand what the problem is, and go back to where the problem started and why it started in the first place.
Yet we keep throwing more and more money and assistance to poor and low IQ people like it's going to change.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:07 am to LordSaintly
States with highest percentage of black population and ranking of percentage of population below poverty rate.
Rank % black population /Rank % pop. below poverty rate
#1 District of Columbia 50.08% / #7
#2 Mississippi 37.30% / #1
#3 Louisiana 32.4% / #3
#4 Georgia 31.4% / #8
#5 Maryland 30.1% / #50 (6 top 25 wealthiest counties)
#6 South Carolina 28.48% / #12
#7 Alabama 26.38% / #4
#8 North Carolina 21.60% / #13
#9 Delaware 20.95% / #34
#10 Virginia 19.91% / #40 (5 top 25 wealthiest counties)
#11 Tennessee 16.78% / #11
#12 Florida 15.91% / #15
#13 Arkansas 15.76% / #6
Rank % poverty rate / Rank black % population
#1 New Hampshire 9.2% /#45 @1.22%
#2 Maryland 10.4% / #5 @ 30.1%
#3 Wyoming 10.6% / #43 @ 1.29%
#4 Connecticut 10.8% / #22 @ 10.34%
#5 North Dakota 11.1% / #47 @ 1.08%
#6 New Jersey 11.1% / #16 @ 14.46%
#7 Minnesota 11.4% / #32 @ 4.57%
#8 Alaska 11.4% / #35 @ 4.27%
#9 Hawaii 11.5% / #39 @ 3.08%
#10 Massachusetts 11.7% / #26 @ 8.1%
Rank % black population /Rank % pop. below poverty rate
#1 District of Columbia 50.08% / #7
#2 Mississippi 37.30% / #1
#3 Louisiana 32.4% / #3
#4 Georgia 31.4% / #8
#5 Maryland 30.1% / #50 (6 top 25 wealthiest counties)
#6 South Carolina 28.48% / #12
#7 Alabama 26.38% / #4
#8 North Carolina 21.60% / #13
#9 Delaware 20.95% / #34
#10 Virginia 19.91% / #40 (5 top 25 wealthiest counties)
#11 Tennessee 16.78% / #11
#12 Florida 15.91% / #15
#13 Arkansas 15.76% / #6
Rank % poverty rate / Rank black % population
#1 New Hampshire 9.2% /#45 @1.22%
#2 Maryland 10.4% / #5 @ 30.1%
#3 Wyoming 10.6% / #43 @ 1.29%
#4 Connecticut 10.8% / #22 @ 10.34%
#5 North Dakota 11.1% / #47 @ 1.08%
#6 New Jersey 11.1% / #16 @ 14.46%
#7 Minnesota 11.4% / #32 @ 4.57%
#8 Alaska 11.4% / #35 @ 4.27%
#9 Hawaii 11.5% / #39 @ 3.08%
#10 Massachusetts 11.7% / #26 @ 8.1%
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:16 am to bhtigerfan
Once again, I am not arguing against reality. I can't speak for hispanics, but within the black community, I have observed a number of factors, one being that education is anathema to many. Many of the younger individuals do not care as much about scholastic achievement, because their parents and grandparents have not cared. Also, as a race, we tend to not be very smart with money. Whites, regardless of socioeconomic status, tend to engage in smarter habits (saving money, delaying gratification, etc).
It also starts at home. I grew up in a 2-parent household where education was valued more than anything else. This is far more typical of white and Asian families than black families. If you come from a one-parent household where education isn't valued, you may doom yourself to failure. Of course there are successful people out there who have never set foot in a college classroom, but financial success and intelligence are correlated with education level.
If you fix the black family structure and get them to recognize the value of education, the problems within the community will vanish within a few generations. I have always believed this.
It also starts at home. I grew up in a 2-parent household where education was valued more than anything else. This is far more typical of white and Asian families than black families. If you come from a one-parent household where education isn't valued, you may doom yourself to failure. Of course there are successful people out there who have never set foot in a college classroom, but financial success and intelligence are correlated with education level.
If you fix the black family structure and get them to recognize the value of education, the problems within the community will vanish within a few generations. I have always believed this.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:21 am to Machine
why dont you carry your arse over to the smart people web site, a-hole?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:27 am to Machine
quote:
And why are the poorest and most uneducated states almost entirely in the southeast?
Is anybody else noticing a trend here ?
The trend is you're color blind to a point of ignorance.
And California and Hawaii, the two most liberal states are in the worst shape fwiw.
Why liberal cities have more gun crimes even though they have more stringent gun laws?
Why there are more violent crimes in liberal cities (rape, armed robberies, etc.)?
I could keep going, but I doubt you want facts that go against your ignorant agenda.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:30 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:31 am to JCdawg
quote:
Why do Democrats claim to be the party of science and go on about global warming, but when it comes to people and IQ, it's simply racism?
The Democrats are the party of science, when the science agrees with them.
Climate change is one example
Being born gay is another
Being born the wrong gender is yet another
I could go on and on.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:36 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Well, my point was basically, there's more intelligence in the Group 2 room so running around pointing out they have the same "average IQ" isn't terribly informative.
Group 2 is probably going to be too busy dealing with the four imbeciles to get anything productive done toward solving the problem, so I'd probably go with 1.
quote:Well, I would probably argue that the people closer to the problem that are smart are more likely to understand key dynamics to the problem that smart people far from the problem will.
I'm not sure if that's what you were going for, but I'd say, in a way, it's sort of illustrative of what we're dealing with in some places.
And that goes beyond even just race or social dymamics.
It is likely that reasonably bright people in farm country are going to do much better at solving farm problems than slightly smarter people who live in high rises of NYC.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:37 am to LordSaintly
quote:
Once again, I am not arguing against reality. I can't speak for hispanics, but within the black community, I have observed a number of factors, one being that education is anathema to many. Many of the younger individuals do not care as much about scholastic achievement, because their parents and grandparents have not cared. Also, as a race, we tend to not be very smart with money. Whites, regardless of socioeconomic status, tend to engage in smarter habits (saving money, delaying gratification, etc).
It also starts at home. I grew up in a 2-parent household where education was valued more than anything else. This is far more typical of white and Asian families than black families. If you come from a one-parent household where education isn't valued, you may doom yourself to failure. Of course there are successful people out there who have never set foot in a college classroom, but financial success and intelligence are correlated with education level.
If you fix the black family structure and get them to recognize the value of education, the problems within the community will vanish within a few generations. I have always believed this.
100% agree
i'm white though so my opinion is worthless to most/many
*ETA: the racial disparities are largely melting away, fwiw. i'd imagine the white underclass (who have the same cultural/value issues as the black underclass) are probably about equal in total population, possibly bigger
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:38 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:
The Democrats are the party of science, when the science agrees with them.
Climate change is one example
Being born gay is another
Being born the wrong gender is yet another
I could go on and on.
Your three examples are horrible/false ones, unless you were being sarcastic, then I completely agree.
Chromosomes should/do have more of an impact on gender than chemical imbalances scientifically. Also, pretty wild studies correlating homosexuality with chemical imbalances as well, but hey that's just science.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:39 am to LordSaintly
quote:
I can't speak for hispanics, but within the black community, I have observed a number of factors, one being that education is anathema to many
This is probably the single greatest factor above all else that is fricking black people in America.
Even if you are a bright young black kid who seeks to improve himself, you not only have to deal with being different than the majority population of the nation.....and yes, that's a disadvantage........you have to overcome becoming an outcast among those who are supposed to be your "in group".
That shite blows.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:39 am to LordSaintly
quote:
lordguill
You're a gentleman and a scholar.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:45 am to bayoumuscle21
quote:
Your three examples are horrible/false ones, unless you were being sarcastic, then I completely agree.
Of course I was being sarcastic
and black people and education should confuse anyone.
When blacks were slaves, they often risked death to educate themselves, now of course we know the overwhelming feeling blacks have towards education.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i'm white though so my opinion is worthless to most/many
You're one of my favorite posters, but don't fall into this trap. It's used too often as a tool to silence valid opinions/criticism.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:50 am to Machine
quote:
Is anybody else noticing a trend here ?
Yes, that you are a blatant hack who will not acknowledge that most of the poor and uneducated in general are minorities is overwhelming support the Democrat party.
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