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re: Why do Illegal Immigrants Get The Same Constitutional Rights As American Citizens?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:41 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:41 pm to AggieHank86
Whether or not it applies to people that are here illegally is up for interpretation.
ETA: let me phrase that better, how much of it applies to criminals here illegally is up for interpretation.
ETA: let me phrase that better, how much of it applies to criminals here illegally is up for interpretation.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 9:45 pm
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:41 pm to AggieHank86
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No, it is not. It is a document that outlines the procedures for operation of the United States government and (in the Bill of Rights) outlines certain LIMITS on governmental powers.
Those LIMITS are what give rise to the "rights" that you reference. EVERYONE is a beneficiary of those limits, whether a citizen or not.
You are horribly misguided.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:47 pm to AndyCBR
quote:I have exactly ZERO doubt that I understand the Constitution FAR better than you do.
No, it is not. It is a document that ... (among other things) outlines certain LIMITS on governmental powers.
Those LIMITS are what give rise to the "rights" that you reference. ...
EVERYONE is a beneficiary of those limits, whether a citizen or not.quote:
You are horribly misguided.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:49 pm to Neutral Underground
What rights should they not have?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:51 pm to Neutral Underground
They shouldn't have any rights at all. Rights are for citizens
Posted on 3/3/25 at 9:57 pm to Neutral Underground
All men, rights, endowed by God.
Those things.
They don't have a right to citizenship though.
Those things.
They don't have a right to citizenship though.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:04 pm to deeprig9
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What was I referring to?
I asked google if Illegal Immigrants got the same Constitutional rights as American Citizens. Google's AI and the top 10 searches came back as saying that they do. I didn't know if this was just propaganda. I'm not a lawyer. That is why I asked the question. Democrats are actively telling illegals how not to comply with law enforcement because of their "rights". I am taking it to be more of a "Law of the land".
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:18 pm to AggieHank86
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I have exactly ZERO doubt that I understand the Constitution FAR better than you do.
Your "lack of doubt" doesn't make you any less misguided.
The inalienable rights do not become yours once you illegally set foot on American soil as a trespasser and invader.
It's really that simple.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:21 pm to Neutral Underground
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I think it's insane that people in the country illegally get the same rights as US Citizens do.
They dont
They get due process
They dont get the right to attorney, unless charged with a felony, and with the intent to prosecute. Most illegals charged with crimes are deported instead. Because being here illegally is purposefully a misdemeanor
They dont have the right to vote. 14th Amendment specifically says "Citizens"
They can also be seized and searched without a warrant, as to recognized border laws
Other rights are are murky at best, because the Constitution says the person has to be under "the jurisdiction" of this country in order to be given.
Right to schools, welfare, housing, phones etc are often administrative and can be ended. There is not even a right to education for citizens, in our constitution. Public school were created long after the founding of our nation
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:21 pm to TrueTiger
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quote:
Because the Constitution says
Because SCOTUS says it says that.
I'm goin' with the Maxine Waters POV...
"The hell with the Supreme Court, we will defy them !!!"
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:23 pm to AndyCBR
quote:Whatever you say, Hamilton Burger.
The inalienable rights do not become yours once you illegally set foot on American soil as a trespasser and invader.
It's really that simple.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Illegal immigration to America is a relatively new phenomenon.
In 1882 we had the Chinese Exclusion Act that barred Chinese people for 10 years. Immigration Act of 1917 also known the Asiatic Barred Zone Act. It barred immigration from all Asian countries except Japan and the Philippines. 1 of the reasons these acts came about was because of cheap Asian labor.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:25 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Are you acting under the misconception that a US citizen is entitled to appointed counsel in a misdemeanor case? JFC
They dont get the right to attorney, unless charged with a felony, and with the intent to prosecute. Most illegals charged with crimes are deported instead. Because being here illegally is purposefully a misdemeanor
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:28 pm to AggieHank86
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Whatever you say, Hamilton Burger.
The fact that someone who purports to "know the law", and practice it for a living, is so confused about illegal immigration is shocking.
Did you get your law degree from the back of a Cracker Jack box?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:36 pm to AggieHank86
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Are you acting under the misconception that a US citizen is entitled to appointed counsel in a misdemeanor case? JFC
Thats what your pedo brain came up with?
That they arent charged with a felony for crossing the border, because that would force us to provide them with a lawyer. You couldnt grasp that simple of a concept?
You want to read over that passage again. Slower this time
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:56 pm to RobbBobb
RobbBobb, let me get this straight.
You think that the US Congress has maintained "illegal border crossing" as a misdemeanor, rather than making it a felony, for the express purpose of assuring that those charged would not be entitled to counsel?
And you understand that the Dems, who you contend conspire to BRING these folks into the country, have controlled Congress for 76 of the last 102 years, and that they could have changed the offense to a "felony" and thus assisted the aliens in staying, yet conspired not to do so.
I suppose you also contend that Republicans in Congress who are trying to elevate the offense to felony level ... are doing so from a desire to assure that those defendants will have a right to counsel and be more difficult to remove?
I am truly awed by your intel ... cough cough cough ... Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face on that one.
You think that the US Congress has maintained "illegal border crossing" as a misdemeanor, rather than making it a felony, for the express purpose of assuring that those charged would not be entitled to counsel?
And you understand that the Dems, who you contend conspire to BRING these folks into the country, have controlled Congress for 76 of the last 102 years, and that they could have changed the offense to a "felony" and thus assisted the aliens in staying, yet conspired not to do so.
I suppose you also contend that Republicans in Congress who are trying to elevate the offense to felony level ... are doing so from a desire to assure that those defendants will have a right to counsel and be more difficult to remove?
I am truly awed by your intel ... cough cough cough ... Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face on that one.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 10:56 pm to Robin Masters
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Rights are God given. Constitution limits the government.
Thank you! Judging by the majority of remarks and responses to the original question, you are one of the very few people that understands this simple concept about our Constitution. I fear, however, that the significance of your concise statement is probably beyond the grasp of those who bandy the term "constitutional rights" about with frivolous regularity.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:33 pm to Swamp Angel
The Declaration of Independence says "all men are created equal and are endowed with certain rights by God"
It doesn't say all Americans. It says all men. We wouldn't be taken seriously on the world stage if we didn't follow this principle.
It doesn't say all Americans. It says all men. We wouldn't be taken seriously on the world stage if we didn't follow this principle.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:43 pm to Neutral Underground
Our rights come from our Creator, not the government. Therefore, all people regardless of their nationality having the same Creator also have the same rights.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:52 pm to djsdawg
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What rights should they not have?
The right to a tax payer funded attorney.
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