re: Why do dems have to paint the republican electorate as evil?

quote:

---

You are just plain wrong

---

That makes 2 of you who believe they know my experience better than I do

quote:

---

HRC took it way too far with her statement

---

I knew any election involving Hillary Clinton would get ugly. I didn't think she'd go that far.

The contempt she holds for blue collar white voters is just more justification for them switching to the republican candidate. That faction of the Democratic party that's out there saying those things right now made it easy for Trump to recruit a lot of voters that used to be reliable Democrats - especially in the midwest.

quote:

---

First, I think both sides do it, to an extent. I think the Left does it far more, however, with less of a rational foundation.

The problem with the left is it's really the only way to win an argument. The amount of fairly intelligent friends and acquaintances that have now posted references of hate, fear, KKK, etc. post-election is absolutely astounding. Although I figured they'd be unhappy, the way they've communicated is frustrating, and it comes down to arrogance and self-righteousness. They really do think the only way to see the world is the way they see it. No compromise. Therefore, they frame everything and anything that misaligns with that as "not correct," i.e. wrong, therefore evil, against their own version of "good.". There isn't an option. There's only "love" the way they see the world, and "hate/fear" the way that anyone who disagrees with them sees the world.

Social Media has been fascinating over the last few days, I've seen former military, VPs, Engineers, Scientists and Physicians, all go down this road. All around my age. It's actually incredibly troubling that so many people from a wide range of educations and occupations really think this stuff.

---

I think you articulated what I was getting at better than I did.

quote:

---

I actually agree that generally both sides are very similar in their hackery, but HRC took it way too far with her statement. fricking dumbass statement imo.

---

Yep, and it hurt her about as much as this hurt Mitt Romney:

quote:

---

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.

---

...and I guarantee you that most on this board would find that mindset deplorable.

If their voters ceased seeing the opposition as evil, they might start listening to them. If they start listening to them, they may start realizing how terrible their current and past situation is and was. If they realize that, then they might start thinking that the opposition's message may just work a little better han continously trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Short version: fear keeps them from straying off the plantation

quote:

---

I think you articulated what I was getting at better than I did

---

Probably because he's smarter than you

Na, I've just spent a lot of time thinking about this lately, because it is honestly concerning.

I'm a conservative, not exactly a Trump fan but he's certainly better than Hillary. I think he has a huge opportunity, and so does the right, to finally prove now that true conservative thinking - small government, individual liberty, economic freedom - works now, can work for the future, and can help everyone, regardless of background/race/gender/class/etc. It is the best way, to use a Trumpism.

The Post-Obama landscape, however, is problematic. If all of these, as defined, fairly rational Left-of-center people approach anything that Trump or a conservative promotes as something of hate, nothing is going to get done, especially with a complicit media. I said this in another thread, but not only do we have to double down on how to govern and make sure it works, but marketing and communication for conservative thinking has to be savvy. To pull this country back right a little (and I'm not saying on social issues), get people to settle down and meet on terms is going to require cutting through this stuff - the "evil" lens -that has absolutely nothing to do with the real goal.

All of this "what do I tell my children," "the world is focused on hate," is not only dramatic, but it feels like they REALLY believe this stuff. Or I should say, I don't think a rational person would say these things. That feeling will be a filter for anything Trump, or a right-majority congress, proposes. And that's a bad foot to start off on.

There are two conclusions: 1) I'm wrong about the people/colleagues/friends around me, and they really weren't rational to begin with- which I find tough to swallow from at least my Engineering/Science/Physician/CompSci folks 2) I'm right and the rational left has now been coerced by whatever forces are at play - media, mob psychology, or a just large disconnect with reality - and are now really thinking this kind of stuff. That's scary.