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re: Why didn't we use the South Korean approach?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:53 am to madhatterman
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:53 am to madhatterman
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South Korea has 240 deaths, New York City has over 11,000.
Both the Governor and Mayor of NYC are both idiots though.
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:02 am to NC_Tigah
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The CDC screwed us is why.
The CDC massively overpromised and massively underdelivered.
In Jan & Feb the CDC said they had tests completely in hand.
The CDC said it would produce the most and the best tests in the world.
Fauci, the NIH, Johns Hopkins, and every US pandemic "expert" told Trump the CDC was the world's premier agent in dealing with a pandemic. They told him to trust the CDC.
Are you intimating Trump should have ignored every US pandemic "expert", shut out the CDC, shut out US labs the CDC (inappropriately) called to question, and instead relied on internationally manufactured CV19 tests?
Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government. The CDC is a sub-division of the Health & Human Services (HHS), a cabinet-level department of the current Presidential Administration.
Trump, the moron taking up air in the Oval Office as the current elected U.S. President, oversees and names the director of the HHS. A previous office for infectious diseases and bioterrorism under Obama was dismantled by former Trump Chief of Staff John Kelly under orders from Trump. The responsibilities of that office - formerly under the National Security Council - was moved to the HHS' authorities.
Trump worked since day one as President to cut funding and staffing of the CDC. His Administration oversaw:
The reduction from 47 to 14 American CDC staff at the Beijing CDC Office over the last 2 years, including a major medical epidemiologist expert who was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases. This CDC expert, Dr. Linda Quick, left her post in July 1999.
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump’s watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official.
In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
The CDC's handling of the development of the contaminated initial COVID-19 tests have been investigated by the FDA, and they found the supervision and leadership of the flawed manufacturing processes that violated the CDC's own standards, was non-existent.
All of this were the major building blocks for the foundation of the United States' slow and studdering response and preparation for the COVID-19 spread throughout the nation. The Captain of that ship was always Donald Trump.
And even today, late in this pandemic, Trump is still out there stumbling about. Still out there with little to no effective plan in regards to dealing with COVID-19, and getting the nation back on it's feet. The most effective plans have come from state leadership. Trump has been left to being effectively some idiot on the sidelines eating popcorn and cheering on the game. We have an armchair QB for our U.S. President. There will be a reckoning....
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 6:05 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:11 am to ConwayGamecock
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The most effective plans have come from state leadership.
By design.
Officially, it is called These United States
Fedgov was never intended to be a central ruler.
The premise that Washington DC has the Constitutional authority to micro manage this is false.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:12 am to ConwayGamecock
A more serious answer- SK and Singapore and a few other places relied way heavily on the surveillance state. Phone alerts and location reporting and extremely intrusive government intervention to identify and use technology.to isolate the infected, paired with a cultural obedience to central directives. They experienced SARS and other infectious diseases to build a model of intervention that ignored privacy, to the benefit of public health.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 6:13 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:16 am to ConwayGamecock
quote:So again, for the slow learners, Fauci, Johns Hopkins, Scott Gottlieb, every pandemic "expert" in the country told Trump the CDC was the world's most capable organization in addressing an epidemic. The CDC said the quality of tests was critical, and the CDC needed oversight of uniform quality. What would you have had Trump do? Say "screw you guys, I don't trust the CDC. I'm gonna do my own thing" ?
Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government. The CDC is a sub-division of the Health & Human Services (HHS), a cabinet-level department of the current Presidential Administration.
Trump, the moron taking up air in the Oval Office
Of course not!
Had he done that you be pitching conniption fits about it.
Meanwhile Congress was doing what?
Perhaps you've forgotten?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:17 am to ConwayGamecock
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The most effective plans have come from state leadership.
Yeah. Cuomo did awesome.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:17 am to BoardReader
This is a rather crucial consideration that most often falls on deaf ears. There's a reason we aren't hearing about South Korea type contact tracing results in western, privacy-rights-minded countries.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:18 am to NC_Tigah
You realize you are talking to TDs patient zero, right
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:19 am to ConwayGamecock
quote:WTF does that matter? Please dear God don't tell me you are even hinting that US employees in Beijing could somehow have sorted out the CV19 outbreak any sooner than we could without them.
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump’s watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:22 am to madhatterman
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We're under 3 in New York and just over 2 in New Jersey. Basically, We've been testing sick people as opposed to testing sick people plus all the people the sick people may have come in contact with. Thus, New York and New Jersey have, by far, more deaths per capita than any other place on Earth.
Sounds like New York and New Jersey have shitty public health departments.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:25 am to the808bass
quote:And NYC has a shitty mayor. To this day, NYC's subways remain a veritable human CV19 petri dish.
Sounds like New York and New Jersey have shitty public health departments.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:27 am to madhatterman
Tough to contact trace when it’s been in the US since November...just weren’t testing for it
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:28 am to ConwayGamecock
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Pretty convenient revision of U.S. Government.
It’s not a revision. You can say whatever you want. The CDC screwed the pooch on this testing debacle. Not Trump. Not Pence.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:29 am to NC_Tigah
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To this day, NYC's subways remain a veritable human CV19 petri dish.
I can’t fathom people who are upset people drive five miles in their own cars to get groceries while those same people get into a packed subway train.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:31 am to NC_Tigah
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WTF does that matter? Please dear God don't tell me you are even hinting that US employees in Beijing could somehow have sorted out the CV19 outbreak any sooner than we could without them.
It doesn’t matter. Facts don’t matter. They’ve long believed that Trump is incompetent so whatever happens is because Trump is incompetent. It’s an unfalsifiable argument.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:34 am to TrueTiger
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By design.
Officially, it is called These United States
Fedgov was never intended to be a central ruler.
The premise that Washington DC has the Constitutional authority to micro manage this is false.
That design was called the Articles of Confederation. It hasn't been our nation's constitution since the late 1700s. You need to catch up.
Then why are U.S. tax payers paying their hard-earned money to a FEDERALLY-CONTROLED AND GOVERNED Centers for Disease Control and Prevention? Why does it exist? You dumb Repubs are supposed to decry big federal government - now we have this federal agency that YOU SAY doesn't have a mission statement? Are YOU fine with that?
Why is the President of the United States doing daily pressers about this? Why hasn't he had ONE SINGLE STATE GOVERNOR appear at even ONE SINGLE one of his pressers? It's their show, right? What the hell is Trump doing?
Regardless of whether or not Washington DC has Constitutional authority to micro manage this is a little after the fricking fact that they sure as hell micro-managed this into the ground to begin with, despite what you say. HELLO! Have you been vacationing on a deserted island for the last 3 months?
They prevented those states from developing their own tests for over a month, which is a YUGE reason why we've been behind in this race since the starting gun fired.
Please. Just return to the little kids' table. This discussion is above your head....
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:38 am to ConwayGamecock
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Regardless of whether or not Washington DC has Constitutional authority to micro manage this is a little after the fricking fact that they sure as hell micro-managed this into the ground to begin with, despite what you say. HELLO! Have you been vacationing on a deserted island for the last 3 months?
You’ve lost your mind.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:40 am to the808bass
TDS rots the brain.
Look at all his posts. Nothing but drumph this and drumph that. It’s actually quite funny. Trump owns the wide expanse is his dome.
Look at all his posts. Nothing but drumph this and drumph that. It’s actually quite funny. Trump owns the wide expanse is his dome.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:40 am to ConwayGamecock
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FEDERALLY-CONTROLED AND GOVERNED Centers for Disease Control and Prevention? Why does it exist? You dumb Repubs are supposed to decry big federal government - now we have this federal agency that YOU SAY doesn't have a mission statement?
another of many agencies that should have never been
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:41 am to BoardReader
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A more serious answer- SK and Singapore and a few other places relied way heavily on the surveillance state. Phone alerts and location reporting and extremely intrusive government intervention to identify and use technology.to isolate the infected, paired with a cultural obedience to central directives. They experienced SARS and other infectious diseases to build a model of intervention that ignored privacy, to the benefit of public health.
Sounds like you need to read more boards. South Korea is not a surveillance state. And every preventative process you just described, has absolutely NOTHING to do with what methods South Korea actually used, against COVID-19. You need to take your imagination to Hollywood.....
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