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re: Why can’t we control 100 mile stretch of ocean?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:07 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:07 am to SquatchDawg
Is it feasible and safer for the US, Venezuela and the Middle Eastern countries not dependent on navigating past the Straight of Hormuz to provide oil shipments to replace the oil shipments that are always under the threat of Iran? How long would that take to transition away from these threats?
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:19 am to KiwiHead
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Look at the Geography on the Iranian side and then rethink your post.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:26 am to thunderbird1100
Iran has long held the threat of closing the strait as its ace up their sleeve. Previous poster is correct in that Iran has no authority to close the strait so its threat/action is terrorism. They gambled that this was enough to ensure they could build a few nukes, even boasting about it, and would then control the world by being an untouchable terroristic nuclear power state.
The way this will play out is Iran will either come to the table and open the strait or they will experience bridge and power plant day after all.
I don’t hold out much hope for a peaceful resolution because these camel frickers are bloodthirsty religious zealots. POTUS should be nominated for Saint hood for giving them the opportunity to remain.
The way this will play out is Iran will either come to the table and open the strait or they will experience bridge and power plant day after all.
I don’t hold out much hope for a peaceful resolution because these camel frickers are bloodthirsty religious zealots. POTUS should be nominated for Saint hood for giving them the opportunity to remain.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:27 am to theballguy
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Our stuff is more advanced than anyone else's in the world by a long shot, yet it's not as advanced as many people think.
Even the stuff we reverse engineered from Roswell?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:47 am to SquatchDawg
Iran has hundreds to thousands of anti ship missiles still hidden in range of the Strait. There is a decent chance that if we attempted to send say a carrier group or similar amount of destroyers that they could deplete the interceptors on board and disable or sink several of our ships. This is why we have avoided sending ships past the Gulf of Oman into the strait.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:52 am to Indefatigable
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Its not that we can't. We aren't willing to force the strait and provoke Iran to start lobbing missiles at everything that floats.
The Dardanelles part II
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:52 am to SquatchDawg
Because we don't want to.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:54 am to Trauma14
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I think the question is, if we have completely dismantled their military, how is it possible they still have control of the strait?
The IRGC has been preparing for an engagement where they gave regional commands lots of leeway to operate. They still have millions of bodies, willing bodies, still have independent commands, and many of the younger commanders cut their teeth either advising various militias in Iraq and Syria where they espoused guerilla warfare principles to great effect. The decimation of the senior Iranian leadership, who had more experience with the Iran-Iraq War, now gives these younger commanders a chance.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:54 pm to SquatchDawg
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Why can’t we control 100 mile stretch of ocean
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What am I missing here?
For starters, the fact that it's not an ocean.
Geography isn't your strong suit.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:58 pm to OccamsStubble
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The simple answer is it's not our strait to control.
Since International Waters is 12 miles, it isn't Iran's to control either.
At its narrowest point, it's only 21 miles wide.
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:58 pm to SquatchDawg
You are missing a lot apparently. We would have to commit dozens of ships with several getting damaged or destroyed. How do you not understand that?!
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:00 pm to jeffsdad
We don’t even lock up carer criminals here, how could we control something in the ME?…
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:01 pm to SquatchDawg
We couldnt control our southern border for years and you think we can control a waterway 1/2 way around the world?
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:01 pm to SquatchDawg
From a PR perspective we can't afford to lose just 1 ship.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:05 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Well, true, but its gotta be safer and easier to repair than a billion ton tanker out in the water and the enemy ten miles away.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:06 pm to SquatchDawg
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I can’t figure out how, with our surveillance capabilities and air power, we can’t lock down anything moving or remotely dangerous on one side of the Hormuz Strait. Most of that region is a desert and it seems like it would be pretty easy to eliminate any threats to tanker traffic. What am I missing here?
Narrowest part of the strait is about 24 miles.
Any ship (our Navy or otherwise) in the dead middle is 12 miles away from land. There’s not much in the way of reaction time to missiles or drones coming at you.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:14 pm to riverdiver
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Narrowest part of the strait is about 24 miles.
Any ship (our Navy or otherwise) in the dead middle is 12 miles away from land. There’s not much in the way of reaction time to missiles or drones coming at you.
Yeah, I'm not sure people grasp how narrow that is. Yes 24 miles sounds large, but you would literally be able to see a large ship in the middle of the Strait through if you were standing on the nearest Iranian shoreline.
And if you can see it, you can for sure hit it with a barrage of missiles, drones, and artillery. US Navy isn't going in the Strait.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:18 pm to SquatchDawg
Imagine a foreign country trying to take control of the Mississippi River from Baton Rouge south, all the way to the gulf. Now imagine we had 20 years to prepare for the invasion.
Even a military as strong as the US would struggle against locals with less deadly weapons. It could eventually be done but not without a ground force and major losses on both sides
Even a military as strong as the US would struggle against locals with less deadly weapons. It could eventually be done but not without a ground force and major losses on both sides
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:22 pm to Rip Torner
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You are missing a lot apparently. We would have to commit dozens of ships with several getting damaged or destroyed. How do you not understand that?!
Trump has not been shy about telling shipping to man up and get some guts and cross the strait. Navy needs to follow orders and force the strait.
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