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Why can't people understand that socialized medicine will ultimately fail?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:14 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:14 am
Supposedly educated lefties and Bernie holdovers just can't seem to get it through their feeble brains that if it can't work in places like the UK with 1/6 our population, it will be an unmitigated disaster here.
What we have now and will ultimately have with Obamacare lite is a modified VA healthcare system for everyone. As a veteran, I appreciate the benefits I get, but (largely through no fault of their own) the VA simply cannot provide adequate healthcare solutions to all of its veterans and their families. This is what we are essentially going to have with the dumbed down ACA. And meanwhile, in Britain where they essentially do have that already, here is the status of their failing service . . .
LINK
What we have now and will ultimately have with Obamacare lite is a modified VA healthcare system for everyone. As a veteran, I appreciate the benefits I get, but (largely through no fault of their own) the VA simply cannot provide adequate healthcare solutions to all of its veterans and their families. This is what we are essentially going to have with the dumbed down ACA. And meanwhile, in Britain where they essentially do have that already, here is the status of their failing service . . .
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BRITISH SOCIALIZED HEALTH SYSTEM IN “DIRE STATE,” WORST WAIT TIMES ON RECORD
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U.K. health secretary Jeremy Hunt has admitted that the NHS is in a dire state and failed to meet its targets of Accident & Emergency waiting times in January – making it the worst month ever on record. The stark admission came during a press conference held by Think Tank Reform on NHS performance. But as feared the national health care system is not up to speed as only 85.1 per cent of patients in accident and emergency were treated within four hours in January -the worst figures ever, records show. And, 86.2 per cent of patients were treated within four hours in December. It is ranked as the worst performance since monthly reporting began in 2010.
LINK
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:15 am to PoundFoolish
infowars
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:15 am to PoundFoolish
Because they are not driven by logic and facts. They are driven by emotion.
/thread
/thread
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:15 am to olddawg26
quote:
infowars
. . . has been right about the deep state all along.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:17 am to PoundFoolish
Have you been to England and used their healthcare system
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:19 am to olddawg26
quote:
Have you been to England and used their healthcare system
gonna be there this summer . . . hope to God I don't get sick.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:20 am to PoundFoolish
quote:Because they are told how wonderful other systems are, and they believe what they are told.
Why can't people understand that socialized medicine will ultimately fail?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:21 am to PoundFoolish
I have about a dozen times. Got a nasty eye infection on a train in from Paris, and broke my finger. Citizens might have it worse but it was really awesome to use their socialized stuff as a foreigner haha.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:21 am to PoundFoolish
lol infowars dot com
they're turning the frogs gay!!!
they're turning the frogs gay!!!
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:21 am to olddawg26
Have you used the NHS as an English citizen?
Also, the NHS is purported to be the world's 5th largest employer.
Yeah, a country of that size employs enough people to be the world's 5th largest employer.
1. US DOD
2. Chinese military
3. Walmart
4. McDonald's (must include all the franchises obviously)
5. NHS
Let's do that here. More government is awesome.
Also, the NHS is purported to be the world's 5th largest employer.
Yeah, a country of that size employs enough people to be the world's 5th largest employer.
1. US DOD
2. Chinese military
3. Walmart
4. McDonald's (must include all the franchises obviously)
5. NHS
Let's do that here. More government is awesome.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:21 am to olddawg26
quote:Yes and yes.
Have you been to England and used their healthcare system
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:22 am to olddawg26
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:24 am to Wolfhound45
quote:
Because they are not driven by logic and facts. They are driven by emotion.
/thread
Ball game. My uncle's best friend from England died due to the socialized medicine over there. He had to wait 6 months for a doctor's appt. When the time came for his appt, they called and asked if he had any new symptoms. When he said no, they canceled his appointment. Unbeknownst to him, his emphysema had developed into lung cancer. by the time he saw a doctor, it was stage 4. frick socialized medicine!
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:26 am to Aubie Spr96
You're arguing with a rock.
Ctr comes here and thinks we are too stupid to see it for what it is.
Oh I've been a DOUBLE THOUSAND times and it's sooooo nice compared to evil trumpkin care
Ctr comes here and thinks we are too stupid to see it for what it is.
Oh I've been a DOUBLE THOUSAND times and it's sooooo nice compared to evil trumpkin care
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:30 am to roadGator
quote:Public satisfaction with the NHS is pretty high. In the mid 1990s, 50% of the country was dissatisfied, and that's fallen to 23% in 2015. 60% are very or quite satisfied, and another 16% are neutral in their opinion.
Have you used the NHS as an English citizen?
Also, the NHS is purported to be the world's 5th largest employer.
Yeah, a country of that size employs enough people to be the world's 5th largest employer.
1. US DOD
2. Chinese military
3. Walmart
4. McDonald's (must include all the franchises obviously)
5. NHS
Let's do that here. More government is awesome.
In the last several years, satisfaction has been between 60-70%. That's pretty good.
edit: LINK
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:31 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:32 am to Hog on the Hill
60-70% satisfaction is pretty shitty when you're talking about healthcare.
But I'm sure you're going to provide me with other stats of socialized medicine in other countries to prove that 60-70% is actually "good".
But I'm sure you're going to provide me with other stats of socialized medicine in other countries to prove that 60-70% is actually "good".
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:34 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:33 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Public satisfaction with the NHS is pretty high. In the mid 1990s, 50% of the country was dissatisfied, and that's fallen to 23% in 2015. 60% are very or quite satisfied, and another 16% are neutral in their opinion.
In the last several years, satisfaction has been between 60-70%. That's pretty good.
edit: LINK
His post wasn't referring to some vague polling numbers, but the bloated government that is required by socialized medicine. And please explain how your link is any more reputable of a source than infowars.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:34 am to Hog on the Hill
Cool. That's a different discussion altogether.
However, we both know that satisfaction surveys are dependent on what outcomes the researcher is looking for. I can be satisfied with the way my car was washed but not happy about the actual outcome. I'm just to lazy or timid to complain for example. So, I report that I'm satisfied.
ETA:
Is it?
However, we both know that satisfaction surveys are dependent on what outcomes the researcher is looking for. I can be satisfied with the way my car was washed but not happy about the actual outcome. I'm just to lazy or timid to complain for example. So, I report that I'm satisfied.
ETA:
quote:
That's pretty good.
Is it?
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:35 am to Wolfhound45
quote:
They are driven by emotion.
Winner.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:36 am to PoundFoolish
Somebody will have to step up and point out that if responsible and productive people who can afford to purchase their healthcare can be forced by a (supposed) moral, Socialist impetus to pay/subsidize the healthcare of (many times) individuals who act irresponsibly...that such is essentially unjust and immoral. Not to mention impractical and societally suicidal. Subsidizing immorality - good intentions nws - won't fly. For long.
The only way this works if that if the irresponsible and powerless folk are REQUIRED to meet at the least minimal standards of conduct. If the powerless - through their elected Representative - can assert a moral RIGHT to healthcare...then the responsible and productive folk can assert a moral impetus for those demanding subsidization to step up and help pull the economic/moral society wagon.
Barring that, the implied social contract goes to hell and it all comes tumbling down. And the weak die off and we start over again.
The only way this works if that if the irresponsible and powerless folk are REQUIRED to meet at the least minimal standards of conduct. If the powerless - through their elected Representative - can assert a moral RIGHT to healthcare...then the responsible and productive folk can assert a moral impetus for those demanding subsidization to step up and help pull the economic/moral society wagon.
Barring that, the implied social contract goes to hell and it all comes tumbling down. And the weak die off and we start over again.
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