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re: Why Can't Democrats/Liberals Define What a "Living Wage" is?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:06 am to CU_Tigers4life
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:06 am to CU_Tigers4life
If you go more than 2-3 years making minimum wage, then the problem is you. Even a burger flipper will quickly get ahead of their peers by just showing up to work on time consistently and doing a half-assed job.
Everyone who has met one of these people know it’s their own fault. They hop from job to job barely staying on for 6 months at a time before quitting or walking out, because they are lazy derelicts.
Everyone who has met one of these people know it’s their own fault. They hop from job to job barely staying on for 6 months at a time before quitting or walking out, because they are lazy derelicts.
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:08 am to volod
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A living wage is the minimum income necessary for a worker to meet their basic needs.[3] Needs are defined to include food, housing, and other essential needs such as clothing. The goal of a living wage is to allow a worker to afford a basic but decent standard of living.[4] Due to the flexible nature of the term "needs", there is not one universally accepted measure of what a living wage is and as such it varies by location and household type.[5]
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S Webb and B Webb, Industrial Democracy(Longmans 1902)
Ryan, John A. Living Wage Macmillan, New York 1906 OCLC 39046728
wiki Living Wage
Living wage is objectively calculated by costs of things in your location. Anacoco, Louisiana is not going to have the same type as NYC, New York.
Then why won't the democrats run on this definition? I'll tell you why..the minute they "Define" it they own it and have to answer for it and that is something they never want to do.
They seem to have a problem understanding the minimum wage and this hokey "living wage" and appear to think they should be one in the same.
The minimum wage is an entry level wage created by politicians.
If a person wants this so-called "living wage" then be exceptional at what ever job you are doing. If you are flipping burgers, learn to run the store and be a store manager and make more money.
What it boils down to is people want to do as little as possible and being paid beyond they job they are doing as the expense of people that are busting their assess.
The last time I earned a minimum wage wage when I was in high school working at a grocery store about 38 years. ago.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:08 am to Taxing Authority
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Who is “we”? My wage has gone up steadily over the last two decades.
Same here. I've steadily averaged 4-7% per year.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:30 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Then why won't the democrats run on this definition? I'll tell you why..the minute they "Define" it they own it and have to answer for it and that is something they never want to do.
Agreed. I was just answering what living wage actually is. If they actually used the real definition then they would have to stick to a very strict formula tied to inflation.
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If a person wants this so-called "living wage" then be exceptional at what ever job you are doing. If you are flipping burgers, learn to run the store and be a store manager and make more money.
The only problem I see is with your smaller towns. They typically don't have enough jobs available.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:36 am to tigre704
What you need to understand is . . . we don't need solutions to some of these problems. The real problems that need solving are solved by the free market. Everything else is forced wealth transfer. Often, neither party at the ends of that transfer actually realizes any economic benefit. The real beneficiaries are the bureaucrats in Northern Virginia, DC and Maryland who are living the high life off of taxpayer cash.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:36 am to CU_Tigers4life
The underlying premise is that they want to be able to live any lifestyle they wish while working any job they want.
That's simply not realistic, and it sure as shite isn't financially possible.
Like other hotbutton issues, they want to live their lives as they wish, with no consequences for their decisions.
That's simply not realistic, and it sure as shite isn't financially possible.
Like other hotbutton issues, they want to live their lives as they wish, with no consequences for their decisions.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:37 am to volod
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The only problem I see is with your smaller towns. They typically don't have enough jobs available.
Sometimes you have to go where the jobs are. It's nice to stay in your hometown, but if the jobs aren't there then you have to decide, not the government, on what you're willing to accept for income to have the lifestyle that you desire.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:45 am to Centinel
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A living wage is simply a wage that allows you to have the necessities in life.
Food, a nice house in a desirable hip city, cell phones, TV, internet, nice clothes, a car or two that's not too old, money for social activities, etc.
Is that too much to ask?
A woman who worked for me briefly started to complain about not earning a living wage. She made 38 grand and was an office manager/receptionist. I took her to lunch to talk about it, and asked her what she though a living wage would be. Her answer was more than I pay myself.
I told her I would pay her that if she took on most of my responsibilities at the New Orleans office, and traveled to the Baton rouge office a few times a week to handle what I do there. She had no interest in doing that. She honestly thought she was going to make six figures to order pens and answer phones. She felt she deserved it because she had 25 years doing menial office work.
She eventually quit, and I replaced her with a college student who came in for about 15 hours a week. We never even noticed she was gone.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:46 am to CU_Tigers4life
A "living wage" is relative to the region and city one lives in. A living wage in New York City will be different from a living wage in Morristown Tennessee, and it's always changing with inflation, migration from city to city and state to state, and as business rise and fall in various areas.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:46 am to BlackAdam
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A woman who worked for me briefly started to complain about not earning a living wage. She made 38 grand
If you are making 38 grand a year and that's not a "living wage", then you are doing too much "living".
That being said, a really good secretary/office manager/whatever they want to call themselves these days is worth their weight in gold.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:53 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Why Can't Democrats/Liberals Define What a "Living Wage" is?
It's the same as all of their definitions.
How much should we spend on Education? - "More than we do now".
How much should the rich pay in taxes? - "More than they do now"
How much should companies pay in minimum wage? - "More than they do now"
In other words, no matter what you change the policy to tomorrow, the answer will be the SAME the day after tomorrow.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:56 am to volod
quote:There's nothing actually "objective" about it at all.
Living wage is objectively calculated by costs of things in your location. Anacoco, Louisiana is not going to have the same type as NYC, New York.
Not the least of which is, if I'm married with a child, and both my wife and I work.........do BOTH of our companies have to pay us a "living wage" based on this ridiculous "objective" analysis or our living needs?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
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A "living wage" is relative to the region and city one lives in. A living wage in New York City will be different from a living wage in Morristown Tennessee, and it's always changing with inflation, migration from city to city and state to state, and as business rise and fall in various areas.
So what is it in NYC and Morristown, TN? Who defines it in each of these places, and at what level does it stop being defined?
Do we just look at Texas population centers of x,y,z? Do we analyze each town? Do we just define the top 50 cities in the US and then base it regionally thereafter?
The nebulous concept presented above does not really answer the question. I, and it would seem many others, fully understand that "it's complicated." That isn't really good enough. I get that it's complicated. But nowhere above does an inkling of concrete definition come out. So what is a living wage anywhere, for example?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:24 am to CU_Tigers4life
They will not name a living wage because it would cost them if minimum wage was ever raised to that number . Minimum wage could be $50 an hour and they still wouldn’t make enough because then the rest of us that have skills would make $100 an hour.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:26 am to CU_Tigers4life
Because by not defining the term allows them continuously move the goalposts.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:29 am to VoxDawg
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The underlying premise is that they want to be able to live any lifestyle they wish while working any job they want.
Well, that depends on what you consider a luxury. Having a cheap used car and small home with working water isnt a luxury in my book. Its only a luxury when you compare it to 3rd world countries (in which case, why is a 1st world country trying to emulate a 3rd world country).
I dont think moderates are trying to live a upper middle class life with living wage. It's more than likely a way to help "make ends meet".
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:30 am to CU_Tigers4life
'Living Wage', 'Minimum Wage' are both forms of government price control,
and government price control never works.
No matter what price the government chooses, it will be wrong.
and government price control never works.
No matter what price the government chooses, it will be wrong.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:34 am to Hopeful Doc
quote:I wasn't attempting to define it. The definition seems pretty self explanatory. A "living wage" is a wage paid to an employee that allows them to obtain basic necessities such as food, clothing, and shelter.
So what is it in NYC and Morristown, TN? Who defines it in each of these places, and at what level does it stop being defined?
Do we just look at Texas population centers of x,y,z? Do we analyze each town? Do we just define the top 50 cities in the US and then base it regionally thereafter?
The nebulous concept presented above does not really answer the question. I, and it would seem many others, fully understand that "it's complicated." That isn't really good enough. I get that it's complicated. But nowhere above does an inkling of concrete definition come out. So what is a living wage anywhere, for example?
I don't agree with paying a living wage. I think a living wage is relative to where you live, which is what I was saying. It's not something that aligns with the risk/reward system that Capitalism provides and it allows for people to stop growing and seeking improvement. If you could get everything you need out of life by flipping burgers, why would you get a second job? Why would you go to school to get trained for a higher-paying job or career? Why would you ever change so long as you can tolerate what you're doing?
A living wage is basically welfare for working people and provides the same results: it will reduce the motivation for those receiving it to do something better.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:35 am to volod
quote:We shouldn't emulate a 3rd world country but we SHOULD have frickin perspective.
Well, that depends on what you consider a luxury. Having a cheap used car and small home with working water isnt a luxury in my book. Its only a luxury when you compare it to 3rd world countries (in which case, why is a 1st world country trying to emulate a 3rd world country).
The reality is, when you see Americans, ANY Americans talking about "the 99%", with exceedingly rare exception, they need to realize they are NOT in "the 99%". They're a LOT closer to the 1%
quote:Of course they are. Who are you kidding.
I dont think moderates are trying to live a upper middle class life with living wage.
quote:Yes. Make ends meet because right now, having a 4 cell phone household, eating out 5 times a month along with getting fast food routinely and having the fastest possible internet, Netflix, etc etc is expensive!
It's more than likely a way to help "make ends meet".
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:44 am to ShortyRob
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ShortyRob and HopefulDoc
I will give an example.
Determine the wage at the county/parish level.
Also, do this on an single person level.
*Annual cost a simple home (1 bed/1 bathroom)
*basic utilities like electricity and water only
*Annual cost of car (used)
*Annual cost of food for your area.
It's not a perfect solution but I believe that would cover all the bases. And the people who determine what these cost are should be the elected officials of the county/parish.
That way Republican areas will have the option to accept the conditions or ignore them.
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