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re: Why aren't white people having kids anymore?

Posted on 5/16/21 at 11:59 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 11:59 am to
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Chemicals is part of it - our food supply is heavily contaminated with endocrine disruptors. And that screws up our chemistry. It especially hurts men.



This might be true, but the article that came out a few months ago wasn't rigorous enough in detailing the relationship between exogenous factors and fertility rates. Not only that, because embryological processes are step-wise, the amount of variables you need to account for to say endocrine disruptors are a major cause of declining fertility. I mean, you had arguably more pollution during the Industrial Revolution, with the presence of some dioxins among other groundwater pollutants, and you still had total fertility rates in Britain above 4 up until the 20th century.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:00 pm to
Household income and level of educational attainment are roughly inversely proportional to the number of kids you have in most western nations. You see similar findings across all racial groups, ie affluent black people have less kids than poor black people, affluent Hispanics have less kids than poor Hispanics, etc.

It just seems like it’s only white people because a statistical majority of affluent individuals in the US are white.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:00 pm to
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they are the demographic most in debt to student loans. They make incredibly stupid financial decisions without a man to explain things to them.

Couple that I know, when the stimulus checks came to them, he wanted to buy an AR, but she wanted to spend the money on new yard furniture. They ended up with new yard furniture.
Now he only has a pump shotgun and a .22 rifle to defend themselves, and a yard full of used yard furniture that wouldn't bring 100 bucks at a yard sale.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:00 pm to
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Just an observation, but I have noticed alot medium to high income young white people seem to be skipping out on getting married and having kids. And if they do have them, seem to be waiting till their mid to late thirties and have one or maybe two at the most.
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Their parents lack of discipline and involvement in their lives made then narcissistic, egotistical, undisciplined and unrealistic adults. That's why it was so easy for the academic socialists to indoctrinate them.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:01 pm to
Their average earnings are higher than their male peers until they have kids. So what does that say about the average millennial men and their financial decisions?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39159 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:04 pm to
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That's not specific to whites. The birth rates across the board have been dropping since the 70s. The reason any significant pop increase occurs is due to immigration. There are a lot more Mexicans and Asians in the US now than 1970. Blacks would be gaining pop on whites but black females have a much higher percentage of abortions than whites.

And since black females are a large percentage of the college crowd since 2000 they are falling in line with the feminist crowd and turning to lesbianism.


Yes they have been dropping, but the Asian-American TFR fell below replacement in 1988, the African-American TFR has been below replacement since the 1990s, and the Hispanic rate fell below replacement in 2012. The immigrant rate has barely been above two for a long while, with the current rate at 2.4-ish, where it has been for more than a decade.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:04 pm to
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But the TFR for white people in the US fell below replacement in the 1970's. It's been a half-century of below replacement rates, and there isn't even a suggestion of how to fix this.




But all I ever hear about is the elite wanting to control the population to reduce the numbers. Then in the next breath the media will say that there is not enough people having babies.

Which is it? Which is goddammit?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:05 pm to
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You need to read up on the data gramps.


You don't understand the math. Women DOMINATE the worthless degree field TODAY. They have not learned anything about avoiding the crap. The latest articles on them leading the college debt numbers are from this week. Try reading.

Women are increasing in law school and med school because they are the majority in colleges period. Female doctors earn about half of what male doctors earn career wise. Know why? They quit practice MUCH earlier than men.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11847 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:08 pm to
I listen to this dork named George Gammon. He has on a guy named Rollo Tomassi and he breaks it down in such a precise way. We are in a trail wagging the dog situation where it's going to take a miracle to reverse it. How do you entirely shift the culture, education system and our economy when millennials are voting for more of it?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39159 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:08 pm to
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I also think legalized abortion had a TON to do with 70's timeline...especially with white women.



It was declining precipitously before Roe v Wade, with the overall rate below replacement the year before the decision, if the US Census data is accurate. Even in countries where abortion was illegal, like Chile and Ireland, you saw rates fall below replacement before abortion was legalized.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:10 pm to
Leftists have been screaming this anti kid shite since the 60's.

The less leftists that have kids the better off we all are.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:11 pm to
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Child support and divorce court. The numbers are not in your favor if you are a man. Especially a white man.


Been there done that. Seven years of a lot of pinto beans & rice.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:12 pm to
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It was declining precipitously before Roe v Wade


I'd like to see those numbers.
Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
15066 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:12 pm to
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White women are pricing themselves out of marriage because they're one of the most educated and highest earning demographic in an economy completely catered to women which is reducing the utility of men for their security.


Here is what happened basically. Women replaced men with careers and men replaced women with porn and video games.

Feminism is the root cause of all this.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116702 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:14 pm to
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It was declining precipitously before Roe v Wade, with the overall rate below replacement the year before the decision,


Absolutely. It was because of the pill. I vividly remember the debates among my fellow Catholics long before Roe concerning whether the pill was a sin.

The Catholic Church allowed The Rhythm Method (calendar watching) for birth control but strictly forbade the pill.
Tons of Catholic women ignored the rule and used the pill. The priests avoided the topic in sermons.
This post was edited on 5/16/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39159 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:14 pm to
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But all I ever hear about is the elite wanting to control the population to reduce the numbers. Then in the next breath the media will say that there is not enough people having babies.

Which is it? Which is goddammit?


I mean, if you believe the elite want to control population, they've already done a good job of that. A half-century of below replacement rates has already signaled a massive demographic shift. The average age of white people in this country is 44, and the modal age is near 60. A half-century of below replacement means that around 70 million white people weren't born. It's just a massive demographic shift any way you look at it, and it looks like it will happen to every group in the US.

The problem with the idea of population control is that no one has figured out how to keep rates steady at 2.1, which is the replacement rate number. Japan has tried and failed. Sweden has tried, and has raised their rates with fairly extensive social welfare policies. Hungary is trying a program giving people 10 mil loans that are forgiven if they have 3 children. We will see if it works.

The general rule is that once you fall below replacement rates, you won't be able to reach replacement rates again, and that has held firm, save for a few exceptions.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9545 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:14 pm to
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Their average earnings are higher than their male peers until they have kids. So what does that say about the average millennial men and their financial decisions?



It says that school has been geared towards women and society has bent over backwards to give women opportunities at the expense of men.

Men, by and large, are disposable; look who has historically been drafted to die in all the wars.

On an individual level, people can and do make boneheaded decisions but it does not help with the macro systems and institutions have become hostile to men.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30928 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Been there done that. Seven years of a lot of pinto beans & rice.

Me too, but I sure learned to cook some good beans.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15066 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:17 pm to
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I listen to this dork named George Gammon. He has on a guy named Rollo Tomassi and he breaks it down in such a precise way. We are in a trail wagging the dog situation where it's going to take a miracle to reverse it. How do you entirely shift the culture, education system and our economy when millennials are voting for more of it?



The only way this gets corrected in a weird way if you think about it. Realistic sex dolls and legal brothels.

Nobody wants to admit it but it’s true lol.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39159 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 12:18 pm to
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Absolutely. It was because of the pill. I vividly remember the debates among my fellow Catholics long before Roe concerning whether the pill was a sin.



When was the pill introduced to mass market? Maybe the Census data correlates nicely with it, but I'm skeptical the pill is a singular explanation of the decline, as places like the USSR were declining before 1960, and saw a precipitous decline below replacement in 1967.
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