re: Why are you against flock?

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I don’t have an issue with them as those are tools of the citizenry as much as they are for law enforcement, imo.

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Intersection cameras?
School zone cameras?
DoT cameras?

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You didn’t care about the Patriot Act.

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Nobody did aside from the ACLU.

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You didn’t care about FISA.

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FISA was created back in the 70’s/80’s as oversight against surveillance by the federal government, not a workaround.

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No. But is that what is happening here? Because the under the Constitution we have no right of privacy out in public.

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You people need to read the Chatrie v United States opinion that partially states:

“[a]n individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy in records about his cell phone’s location, and police intrude on that constitutionally protected interest when they demand the information—even though for only a limited time, and from a third-party tech company.”

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When you put your face out in public, you are waiving your right to keep it private and being seen by anyone.

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sure, just "seen by anyone," but doesn't mean i wave my right to approve for it to be captured on camera.

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Except of course if you are voting, then you have the right not to be identified.

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so there exceptions allowed, so there can be others

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I say again, you fellas are being played by the same ngos over and over

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are you saying that its unAmerican for some/many Americans to feel they have a right to privacy and not be surveilled?

Don't know your actual.background, but it's ingrained in many of our natures to feel that way.

Sure some don't care. Some don't agree. Etc etc. But to dismiss concerns as if people are dolts being played by others, is disingenuous and ignorant. I feel the same way towards the people who keep tossing out how being against data centers is falling for Chinese propaganda, as if we aren't smart and independent enough to have our own concerns.

I say again, at the end of the day, if all cameras are removed what happens.

No one watches you take your kid to ball practice.

A few rogue cops cant track their ex wife.

A handful of wildly overblown cases about files not being updated and someone briefly detained.

All great...................and a million crimes go unsolved.

Now ask yourself who wins there? They are using conservatives own values to accomplish their evil deeds for them by restricting law enforcement.

And some of the same people against flocking are vehemently opposed to defunding police. Think about that, how convoluted the thinking is.

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I'm sure you wouldn't either, if someone started following you and your family around with a camera. Day and night the moment you stepped out of your home.

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Like the local news?
National News?
International News?
Your cell phone company?
Your cell phone apps?
Local street police?

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You are leaning on supreme court cases?

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Uhhhhh.....the entire justice system in this country leans on them. And the entire local, state, and federal government is limited by them.

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Because they have a 180 degree rule on public streets, street cameras, and police body cameras.

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And you cannot do a nationwide search and/or track individuals continuously with street cameras and body cams.

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Warrants are not constitutionally required for public streets.

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So what is the argument against cell phone tracking data while in public.

The camera view of public isn't the issue. It's a database search and continuous tracking search, by government officials, any time they desire, that's the issue.

Make the flock information require a warrant and have a dedicated systems in place to prevent abuse and that's more agreeable. Right?

And if there is no expectation of privacy... why can't we get access to it? The public?

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your inability to separate different sides of the same coin is baffling.

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You have way too high expectations of the poster you are dealing with.