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Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:57 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Heard of it. Got a point?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:05 pm to Janky
Actually just went to the downtown Orlando public library. Besides stepping over all he homeless to get in. The building itself is an eyesore. Once inside, there are not many books. There is an entire floor of dvd movies now. You have to go up to 2nd floor to find books.
Guess what: Zero people on 2nd floor.
Of course, accessing all that data through the cloud app has helped. Oh yeah, they now do passports...so does our downtown post office.
Guess what: Zero people on 2nd floor.
Of course, accessing all that data through the cloud app has helped. Oh yeah, they now do passports...so does our downtown post office.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:09 pm to CleverUserName
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not but I'm going to answer it as if you weren't.
The military protects its citizens - I don't know how much more direct that gets.
I will say again that I agree that there should be a military, but I don't think that the levels we are spending on it are yielding the results we want.
I can honestly say that I don't fear a threat from any enemy abroad (due to our sizable military), but I do worry about political and corporate corruption, tax misappropriation or potentially getting in an accident and being saddled with healthcare costs that I'll never be able to recover from.
The military protects its citizens - I don't know how much more direct that gets.
I will say again that I agree that there should be a military, but I don't think that the levels we are spending on it are yielding the results we want.
I can honestly say that I don't fear a threat from any enemy abroad (due to our sizable military), but I do worry about political and corporate corruption, tax misappropriation or potentially getting in an accident and being saddled with healthcare costs that I'll never be able to recover from.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:10 pm to xiv
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Having an educated and literate population sort of goes hand in hand with being a first-world country.
Did you conveniently ignore the part where I identified the issue that we have with our public school system? The fact that we spend more than anyone else yet we are falling further and further behind? I mean the idea that we need schools is obvious. Did you honestly not understand the point? Or are you being purposefully ignorant?
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Questioning the existence of public libraries is worthy of being mocked. For example: “How uneducated and illiterate do you have to be to question the very existence of public libraries?”
So the fact that I wrote out something that you were capable of reading and then respond to isn’t enough for you to think I’m capable of reading and educated? Or is this yet another baseless reach by you? Public libraries serve absolutely no purpose except for the fact that it makes the emotional thinking amongst us feel better. If you’re an idiot who sees libraries, and it makes you feel better, then yes I assume that anyone questioning their existence would trigger the average simpleton.
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*points to mounted heads of Hitler, Saddam, and Osama on wall*
Yes, perfect example. All of them lied and took power away from the people of their countries via fear tactics and by promising that they themselves would take care of them. Then once the citizens hand over their guns/free speech...etc the government/terrorist group proceeds to commit democide.
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*ETA: and especially Robert E Lee*
Lmao, you continue to make an absolute fool of yourself everyday.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:10 pm to Meatflap
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I can honestly say that I don't fear a threat from any enemy abroad (due to our sizable military), but I do worry about political and corporate corruption, tax misappropriation or potentially getting in an accident and being saddled with healthcare costs that I'll never be able to recover from.
You should pay for their healthcare.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:14 pm to xiv
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Having an educated and literate population
When are you going to join that population and stop being a moronic, dishonest shite?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:17 pm to Clames
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moronic, dishonest shite?
Isn’t it amazing how when loser libs like xiv get confronted with facts, they respond with baseless comments? They’re such emotional little children. Honestly I get better conversations from my niece who’s 12.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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My premise in the context of the thread is that insurance companies do not fund medical innovations to that high of a degree,
No ones disputed that. It’s your claims about motives thst is off. quote:Indeed. Your continuing to prove yourself wrong. Carry on.
Again, the insurance industry funds a tiny percentage of medical R & D. Most of the funding comes from biotech, pharmaceuticals, and the government,
quote:They don’t. Almost all socialized medical systems curb available procedures with advancing age. Good grief.
Yet, all over the developed world, they do, even in aging populations.
quote:You're continuing to miss the point get profit is what spurs innovation and research. But the obvious doesn’t appear to persuade you. No one can help you. And you aren’t here to learn. Not sure what you want?
If the suggestion is that governments are not going to fund research
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:05 pm to 93and99
I do with very expensive insurance.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:07 pm to xiv
quote:And this ladies and gentlemen is all the evidence one need to know why government cannot innovate like private industry.
Questioning the existence of public libraries is worthy of being mocked.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:43 pm to DimTigerDontHate
Libraries are not mandatory institutions and public schools are a base education so we are all not completely lost... not socialism. You’re an idiot looking to argue.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:48 pm to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. Your continuing to prove yourself wrong. Carry on.
I thought the point of disagreement was that insurance companies contributed to medical innovations?
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They don’t. Almost all socialized medical systems curb available procedures with advancing age. Good grief.
So you are saying that UHC countries do not generally cover procedures in old age as a way of rationing care, yet countries with UHC's like Japan have public research funding twice that per capita. Not only that, I don't think targeted rationing of a specific population is practiced in the Australian or Japanese systems, as the Australian elderly care package is quite generous, and in Japan aged care was is funded by a tax paid for by those 40 and older.
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You're continuing to miss the point get profit is what spurs innovation and research.
And you continually miss the point that what is funded by governments is research of a different type and quality than those seeded with pharmaceutical money for example. I can give numerous examples of funding seeded through public funds that have produced things the private sector has used to make more advances, such as recombinant DNA tech, which is now a billion dollar industry seeded first through funding provided by the NIH. Venture capital money funds things of different types than the NIH, usually, but research itself isn't a linear process, and those 'lost causes' research which were once considered impossible or too controversial, again like recombinant DNA, are perfect candidates for public funding. There is a lot of scientific value to funding what would the private sector doesn't see immediate value or where there are no or extremely small profit margins, like epidemiology for example, or my own field of population genetics.
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And you aren’t here to learn.
I'm sorry you have that impression, and perhaps we've been talking about two different things, thus talking past one another.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:58 pm to DimTigerDontHate
I have my hands full trying to make enough to support my family.
I don’t want to have to support yours or bail you out for your poor decisions.
I don’t want to have to support yours or bail you out for your poor decisions.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:59 pm to DimTigerDontHate
Think you need to go to a country with real socialism and take a look at their public libraries, public schooling, mail system, roads, electrical grid, and the general infrastructure of the country.
Not sure you realize exactly what capitalism has paid for in this country.
Good god... some of you fricks need to travel outside the U.S..
Not sure you realize exactly what capitalism has paid for in this country.
Good god... some of you fricks need to travel outside the U.S..
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:33 pm to steadytiger
Left this all day, came back to a lot of great discussion. Thanks people. Without having to make a new thread, I'd like some opinions on how you all forsee us keeping the current system from continuing the trend towards Oligarchy (many argue that we are already there).
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:37 pm to jnethe1
quote:Dude, welcome to TD Poli. I just started posting here and even I know that participating in discussion here is basically just mining pages of insults for nuggets of constructive conversation.
Isn’t it amazing how when loser libs like xiv get confronted with facts, they respond with baseless comments? They’re such emotional little children. Honestly I get better conversations from my niece who’s 12
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:21 pm to DimTigerDontHate
We aren't afraid. We are tired of paying for yours and every other worthless loser's shite.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:45 pm to DimTigerDontHate
The Kosher sandwich divides the masses into two camps.
Conservatives vote for Republicans who love giving the wealthy tax cuts and destroying any programs that could help working class people, while totally punting on all conservative positions. The Republican party is probably gayer than the Democratic Party at this point.
Liberals vote for Democrats who preach anti-white propaganda, want to turn your boys into girls, put illegal aliens and immigrants above the actual founding stock of the country, and work with the Republicans to destroy the middle class with open borders, H1B visas and free trade agreements.
The only way forward for normal white Americans is the third position. Social conservatism combined with some socialist economic policies. Anything else is heads they win, tails you lose. Selling white conservatives on the idea that unbridled capitalism is a conservative position was the biggest win our rulers ever scored against us.
Conservatives vote for Republicans who love giving the wealthy tax cuts and destroying any programs that could help working class people, while totally punting on all conservative positions. The Republican party is probably gayer than the Democratic Party at this point.
Liberals vote for Democrats who preach anti-white propaganda, want to turn your boys into girls, put illegal aliens and immigrants above the actual founding stock of the country, and work with the Republicans to destroy the middle class with open borders, H1B visas and free trade agreements.
The only way forward for normal white Americans is the third position. Social conservatism combined with some socialist economic policies. Anything else is heads they win, tails you lose. Selling white conservatives on the idea that unbridled capitalism is a conservative position was the biggest win our rulers ever scored against us.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:54 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Honestly, not sure if you’re being serious.
I thought the point of disagreement was that insurance companies contributed to medical innovations?
quote:Are you seriously trying to equate research dollars with actual care? Good grief.
So you are saying that UHC countries do not generally cover procedures in old age as a way of rationing care, yet countries with UHC's like Japan have public research funding twice that per capita
quote:Cool n=2 analysis. Not to mention comparing the elderly health of Japanese against america’s demographics of elderly is... well... laughable.
I don't think targeted rationing of a specific population is practiced in the Australian or Japanese systems, as the Australian elderly care package is quite generous, and in Japan aged care was is funded by a tax paid for by those 40 and older.
quote:By your definition of “seeded” we could say almost every aircraft today was “seeded” by the original NACA grants in the early part of the 20th century.
I can give numerous examples of funding seeded through public funds that have produced things the private sector has used to make more advances, such as recombinant DNA tech,
You seem to be trying to establish the value of basic research. Thst isn’t marketable innovation. It has little to do with actually delivering a product to market.
You’ve continually ignored who takes 100% of the product liability, and all market risks. You’ve neglected the marketing costs. You’ve neglected the approval costs You’ve left out the clinical trials cost (and liabilities).
No offense, but you seem only to have a fascile understanding of how products are actually developed or where the capital/risk/returns actually lie. It’s not in the research arena.
quote:To be honest, it seems you haven’t thought this through very deeply or critically. Your utilization estimates were quite the tell.
I'm sorry you have that impression, and perhaps we've been talking about two different things, thus talking past one another.
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