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Why are so many people on here saying it is “bad politics” to go after social media?

Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:09 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69307 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:09 am
There’s a reason biden and other dems pledged to revoke 230 as well, it polls well, whether you like it or not

If something polls 2:1 in support, why would it be politically harmful?


I am not arguing it is good policy, but when Americans by wide margins support social media regulation, it makes it tough to believe it is bad politics
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58797 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:10 am to
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I am not arguing it is good policy


I am.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:12 am to
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There’s a reason biden and other dems pledged to revoke 230 as well, it polls well, whether you like it or not


I actually DISAGREE with revoking 230.

230 is absolutely fine.

It's treating things that clearly aren't covered under 230 as if they are that's the problem

230 tells us what a platform is. Only lawyers torture the language enough to claim it doesn't.

I like protecting platforms. They SHOULD be protected.

Behave like a platform. Be protected
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 11:13 am
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12009 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:12 am to
It is good policy.

How can an entity claim to be a platform for free speech while simultaneously having the ability to pick and choose what is displayed and how it's displayed.

There is no argument that can be made for those 2 ideas to be blended.
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65149 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:13 am to
Social media IS bad politics.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:13 am to
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230 is absolutely fine.
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230 tells us what a platform is. Only lawyers torture the language enough to claim it doesn't.

Pick one
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58797 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:14 am to
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Social media IS bad politics.


Why?
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40254 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:15 am to
Because a lot people on the right have allowed themselves to be so browbeaten by the left for their entire lives that even after four years of TRUMP they still don't think they should fight back.


Others are just left wingers larping and concern trolling.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:17 am to
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Pick one


Not necessary

The reality is, you could write "light includes wavelengths that humans can't see" and lawyers would still figure out how to argue that point for the next 5 years.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:17 am to
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I am not arguing it is good policy, but when Americans by wide margins support social media regulation, it makes it tough to believe it is bad politics


Probably because of the messenger.



Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
19537 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:18 am to
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actually DISAGREE with revoking 230.

230 is absolutely fine.

It's treating things that clearly aren't covered under 230 as if they are that's the problem

230 tells us what a platform is. Only lawyers torture the language enough to claim it doesn't.

I like protecting platforms. They SHOULD be protected.

Behave like a platform. Be protected


This. fricking this.

People don't know what they're asking for by revoking 230.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:19 am to
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Probably because of the messenger.
Twitter doesn't only violate based on Trump

And, no offense, but, your point isn't even valid re: Trump either.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25125 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:21 am to
I would just like to point out that the IRS targeted tea party movements and nothing happened of consequence except Lois Lerner got up on the cross about it. The targeting of conservatives has been systematic over the last 12 years. Big Tech is another front of that assault. Is it any wonder that the media mob is screaming about it. Perhaps the better question is what conservative laments ending the targeting of their ideology? The answer is, not a good one.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:22 am to
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Only lawyers torture the language enough to claim it doesn't.


That's a polite way of calling them g-damned liars...
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:24 am to
I don't necessarily disagree with you about 230 tbh. I just favor user-patrolled community groups.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25125 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:27 am to
Safe space SJWs, fact checkers, and OMB NPCs are not going to vote for Trump. His only issue is those principled conservatives and libertarians that think if we leave twitter alone the market will take care of them and don't care how many elections are lost in the meantime that will give Big Tech additional protections to further kneecap competitors. Conservatives need to fight a smarter game. We cannot restore free markets under speech tyranny. A principled stance against "regulation" at this discrete point in time will be a small battle won that will cost the war.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 11:30 am
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
76677 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:29 am to
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principled conservatives and libertarians
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don't care how many elections are lost in the meantime that will give them additional protections to further kneecap competitors.


Dying with honor.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:30 am to
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I don't necessarily disagree with you about 230 tbh. I just favor user-patrolled community groups.


Personally, I think the whole idea that this is related to Trump is a concoction anyway.

Twitter and Facebook have been headed this way for years. And, to be blunt, they're doing it at the behest of the left. Which honestly, is sad.

The left used to claim to value free flow of ideas and speech. It was pretty much an absolute for them.

I'm old enough to remember being conservative but not liking the "book burning" wing of the conservative movement. Old enough to remember looking upon the left as my allies on valuing free speech.

Today, the right has largely figured it out, and the left has COMPLETELY ABANDONED the idea.

I never moved.
Posted by Tigers0918
Member since Feb 2020
1293 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:33 am to
It's much more because of how it went down. The perception is that he was personally offended by something Twitter did so he then immediately signs an execute order to change it.

Sorry, but I never want politics to be run in a way that because 1 person was offended, we change laws.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58797 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 11:34 am to
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Dying with honor.


Yep. Plenty of them in the CNN reporter arrested thread. They claim they're respecting the Constitution by handing lighter fluid to those who would burn it.
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