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re: Why are Nazi’s labeled far right

Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:26 am to
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:26 am to
National Socialist and International Socialist were equally Socialist. Mussolini was an international Socialist before embracing national socialism. It was an easy conversion because there are only slight differences.

Of course national socialist and international socialist hated each other, they were competing for the same resources. It was like planting two seeds in an one plant pot, only one will survive. But they were the same species.

Let’s compare.
Trade unions, both outlawed them. A trade union in Poland started the USSR demise.
Blood, international socialist have killed the most, and national socialist are #2.
One people-one leader-one nation. Germans-Hitler-Germany; Humanity-Stalin-World; Chinese, Xi, China.
Liberalism doesn’t mean what you think it means when the Gestapo OR KGB is beating on your door at 2AM to take you to a gulag/camp.

The main difference was that the three fascists governments would accept some private property and capitalism for the efficiency of the nation, while communist didn’t care about efficiency and focused on political purity.

It’s better to think of the political spectrum as a circle rather than line. At the bottom is anarchy (0 government control) and at the top is pure government controll. Neither of these can exist so communist are a little left of the top and fascist are a little right of the top. But they are more closely related to each other than anything else.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:20 am to
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National Socialist opposed communist and Social Democrats, hence if these two German political movements were leftist, National Socialist would be on the opposite end of the political spectrum.


Hmmmm

Tea Party Republican’s opposed Establishment Republican’s. By your analogy, they were diametrically opposed and at opposite ends of the spectrum. I find your analogy to be flawed. It would be like saying that Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims cannot both claim to be Muslim. The Nazi’s and Communists were two leftist groups in a power struggle for absolute control. Spinning it as any of the groups being far right is flawed imho.
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:25 am to
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Politics isn’t a spectrum it’s a circle. Eventually you go so far right you’re left and vice versa. It’s that bottom part of the circle that’s extreme authoritarianism no matter the label you give it.


I would agree with this. However, that isn’t what some posters are alluding to. They are trying to justify their position as opposed to looking at things along a circular continuum.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154158 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:30 am to
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liberals


A dying breed
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:33 am to
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A dying breed




yup

cons left the democrat party after JFK, mods after clinton libtards after obama and that is me being nice, now? pure socialists, communists, anarchists, authoritarian, totalitarianists.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:37 am to
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NAZI is an acronym for the Nationalist Socialists Workers Party. The key word being "Nationalist"
do you think nationalism is a feature only of the right? Maybe go check out the 20th century
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:28 am to
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Compared to communism they were “right”.




we can split hairs all day....however..left wing is left wing and socialist are socialists. international, national, intergalctic, whatever....



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According to a popular misconception, the Nazis must have been on the political right because they persecuted communists and fought a war with the communists in Russia. This specious logic has gone largely unchallenged because it serves as useful propaganda for the left, which needs ``right-wing'' atrocities to divert attention from the horrific communist atrocities of the past century. Hence, communist atrocities have received much less publicity than Nazi war crimes, even though they were greater in magnitude by any objective measure. R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii documents in his book Death by Government that the two most murderous regimes of the past century were both communist: communists in the Soviet Union murdered 62 million of their own citizens, and Chinese communists killed 35 million Chinese citizens. The Nazi socialists come in third, having murdered 21 million Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians and others. Additional purges occurred in smaller communist hellholes such as Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cuba, of course. Communism does more than imprison and impoverish nations: it kills wholesale. And so did ``national socialism'' during the Nazi reign of terror.



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But the history of the past century has been grossly distorted by the predominantly left-wing media and academic elite. The Nazis have been universally condemned -- as they obviously should be -- but they have also been repositioned clear across the political spectrum and propped up as false representatives of the far right -- even though Hitler railed frantically against capitalism in his infamous demagogic speeches. At the same time, heinous crimes of larger magnitude by communist regimes have been ignored or downplayed, and the general public is largely unaware of them. Hence, communism is still widely regarded as a fundamentally good idea that has just not yet been properly ``implemented.'' Santayana said, ``Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'' God help us if we forget the horrors of communism and get the historical lessons of Nazism backwards.



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Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise. In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation. Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps. The Nazis are widely known as nationalists, but that label is often used to obscure the fact that they were also socialists. Some question whether Hitler himself actually believed in socialism, but that is no more relevant than whether Stalin was a true believer. The fact is that neither could have come to power without at least posing as a socialist. And the constant emphasis on the fact that the Nazis were nationalists, with barely an acknowledgment that they were socialists, is as absurd as labeling the Soviets ``internationalists'' and ignoring the fact that they were socialists (they called themselves the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). Yet many who regard ``national'' socialism as the scourge of humanity consider ``international'' socialism a benign or even superior form of government.



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The Nazis also had something else in common with the modern left: an obsessive preoccupation with race. Hitler and his Nazis considered races other than their own inferior, of course. Modern ``liberals,'' who vociferously oppose the elimination of racial quotas, seem to agree. They apparently believe that non-white minorities (excluding Asians, of course) are inferior and unable to compete in the free market without favoritism mandated by the government. Whereas Hitler was hostile to those racial minorities, however, modern white ``liberals'' condescend benevolently. Hitler's blatant and virulent form of racism was eradicated relatively quickly and very forcefully, but the more subtle and insidious racism of the modern left has yet to be universally recognized and condemned.



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This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 9:29 am
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3718 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 5:55 pm to
The problem is most posters are looking at this with only the last 100 years in mind....

all of these movements started in the 1860's and 70's.


The communist party in Russia was formed in 1883 as the Emancipation of Labour and later in 1898 Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) and split into two parties in 1912. With Lenin leading the Bolsheviks arm of the party in 1903 and Mensheviks lead by Julius Martov.

This is long before German fell apart and by 1919 Russia has it's hand in most of eastern Europe.

Even before WWI Russian operations covered the whole of eastern Europe, but mainly in the area of Serbia. The killing of the Arch Duke was the spark that started WWI and that was a Russian operation using puppets.

That the NAZI were enemies of the Russian red communist puppets in Germany; is not an issue, but a nature defense of nation. The Nazi's are a very small party in 1919-1923 and played a small role in this struggle of nation gapping.


What put them on the map was the Beer Hall Putsch and General Erich Ludendorff being a member of the Putsch.
The press from this event made the early NAZI party and made them a political force. Erich would go on to be elect to the Reichstag as a representative of the NSFB in 1924, NSFB is the NAZI party and German Völkisch Freedom Party coalition. Erich would go on to run for President of the Republic in 1925.

There is far more to all of this as the British are fighting a real and shadow war with Russia dating to the 1830's trying to keep the Russians from taking Istanbul from the Turks.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:02 pm to
Labels can be misleading. Is the People’s Republic of China a republic?
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:15 pm to
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NAZI is an acronym for the Nationalist Socialists Workers Party.


https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-who-started-it-why-how-and-who-benefits/

It’s time to debunk the “Nazi” epithet, and to show you where it came from, who invented it, and why. The fact is, that the term “Nazi” was created by the enemies of the National Socialists (the NSDAP). It was a pejorative term; an insult or a slur. The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! They called themselves “National Socialists” and nothing else. Those who can read German and have studied any of the original documents and speeches know this already, but most don’t.


Progenitor of the term “The term “Nazi” (along with “Nazism”) is a political epithet invented by Konrad Heiden (7 August 1901 – 18 June 1966) during the 1920s as a means of denigrating the NSDAP and National Socialism. Heiden was a journalist and member of the Social Democratic Party. The term is a variant of the nickname that was used in reference to members of the SDP at the time “Sozi” (short for Sozialisten). “Nazi” was a political pun, based upon the Austro-Bavarian slang word for “simpleton” or “country bumpkin”, and derived from the fairly common name Ignatz. It would be like saying “nutsy”. So, if for no other reason, one should easily understand why the term was regarded as derogatory by the National Socialists and why they would never use it to describe themselves. One should also see why it would be used and popularized by Marxist-Bolshevik agitators and understand how it was seized upon by various other political opponents and subversive types, both within Germany and abroad, including the international media and political leaders of the western powers.”

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The key word being "Nationalist"


This is a fact. National Socialism is akin to the current national populism that was being advocated by several politicians on the right in the 2015 runs across the world. Further, the NSDAP was not fascist, and they make a point that they were national socialists while Italy was fascist. The German national socialists were not like Marx socialists. Otherwise they wouldn't have complained about the attempted communist revolution that destroyed their WWI chances. It is a shame that so many tards on the right do not understand what the NSDAP was to this day even though they advocate for a lot of their policies. NSDAP fought against communism, globalism, and Marxism. United States allied and fought for the "evil" so many complain of now.
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