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re: Who is Vindman and what did he do?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
He thought he was the president and only he could dictate foreign relations with the Ukraine....this is the only answer.
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Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:59 am to SOSFAN
quote:Now it is you who is completely missing the point. We have passed that part of the discussion.
You cant follow civilian protocol when you're nit a damn civilian. I see why everyone gets fed up with you you're fricking stupid.
I am accepting, for purposes of discussion, the foregoing explanation of the chain of command. The question I presented in the post to which you responded was completely different.
Let’s assume that Vindman will now be subject to court martial and will be breaking rocks for the next 75 years because he violated the chain of command by seeking legal counsel. Set that aside.
On the grander scale, does it make any damn difference as to broader question regarding the propriety of POTUS’ actions?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:01 pm to AggieHank86
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On the grander scale, does it make any damn difference as to broader question regarding the propriety of POTUS’ actions?
Ok, now we’re on to the “moving the goalposts” phase.
I’m done with this idiocy. Out.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:01 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Yes, he willingly and knowingly violated law by releasing classified data to a person (the WB) who did not have a valid need to know said information. For that this weak officer should be run up to the max extent.
On the grander scale, does it make any damn difference as to broader question regarding the propriety of POTUS’ actions?
You are now suggesting two wrongs make a right? Or are you suggesting I can break the law because I feel maybe the CIC has done something wrong?
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:03 pm to AggieHank86
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On the grander scale, does it make any damn difference as to broader question regarding the propriety of POTUS’ actions?
Yes, it does. He is a "star" witness for the prosecution. His impartiality in this situation is in question, big time. By his end run around his chain of command, by the prior complaints of him promoting his political ideologies in uniform, etc.
If he walks like a partisan duck and quacks like a partisan duck, you think maybe he might be a partisan duck?
ETA: And I didn't even bring up the whole whistleblower fiasco which after the other day's testimony raises the possibility he is the leaker.
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:04 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
On the grander scale, does it make any damn difference as to broader question regarding the propriety of POTUS’ actions?
9 pages to get to "read the transcript."
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:05 pm to Flats
quote:Yes, I understand that consulting someone for advice would not work well in combat. I even understand the difficulties inherent in having different rules for combat situations vs non-combat,
How would that work in combat exactly?
"Take that hill, Lt."
"Hold on, imma let you finish, but lemme call the JAG first."
It still strikes me as counter-intuitive to punish a man for seeking advice when there is time to do so. I suppose it is just mental training to prevent him from WANTING to seek advice when there is NOT time to do so. In the military context, it even makes sense.
I am not convinced that the NSC should be run like a military unit, but that is an entirely different question.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:05 pm to AggieHank86
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The officers and enlisted should always just “know” the correct answer in every tough situation.
You're being obtuse and you know it.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It still strikes me as counter-intuitive to punish a man for seeking advice when there is time to do so.
He won't be punished. However his reputation is utter dogshit, and anything he says should not be taken at face value at best, if not treated as flat out lies.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:07 pm to Flats
It baffles me that there's still people who don't understand the script at this point.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:08 pm to Centinel
quote:He will never see O-6 that's for sure.
He won't be punished. However his reputation is utter dogshit, and anything he says should not be taken at face value at best, if not treated as flat out lies.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:10 pm to Jbird
quote:No. Read more slowly.
You are now suggesting two wrongs make a right? Or are you suggesting I can break the law because I feel maybe the CIC has done something wrong?
I am asking whether it makes any difference whatsoever that this one officer may have violated the chain of command. Either way, Trump said what he said, and Congress or the voters will decide what that means.
I question whether it matters to either of them that this one LTC sought advice of counsel and whether he spends the next decade busting rocks.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:10 pm to Jbird
quote:
He will never see O-6 that's for sure.
Now that is probably the closest thing to a fact to come out of this whole clown show.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:11 pm to AggieHank86
quote:All while ignoring his illegal actions.
I question whether it matters to either of them that this one LTC sought advice of counsel and whether he spends the next decade busting rocks.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:12 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
still strikes me as counter-intuitive to punish a man for seeking advice when there is time to do so. I suppose it is just mental training to prevent him from WANTING to seek advice when there is NOT time to do so. In the military context, it even makes sense.
Has nothing to do with "time." Has to do with order and discipline.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:12 pm to Centinel
quote:The best he can hope for is a book deal and some slush funds from a think tank in VA.
Now that is probably the closest thing to a fact to come out of this whole clown show.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:12 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
On the grander scale, does it make any damn difference as to broader question regarding the propriety of POTUS’ actions?
Seeing you reduced to posting such utter rubbish is a rather enjoyable victory lap.
Thanks
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:14 pm to Centinel
quote:Maybe that is where we are all having a disconnect. Me, at a minimum.
Yes, it does. He is a "star" witness for the prosecution.
I simply do not think he is an important witness at all. He was one person among 300 million who has an opinion regarding the words that Trump used and the meaning of those words may have had.
Whether he first spoke with the NSC counsel or with his direct civilian supervisor has absolutely no bearing whatsoever upon my analysis of the situation. In fact, his very existence has absolutely no bearing up on my analysis of the situation.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:15 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
my analysis of the situation.
Our hero
Posted on 11/20/19 at 12:15 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I am asking whether it makes any difference whatsoever
Wow.
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