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Who here thinks they are an expert on Marxism?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:24 pm
I mean someone who has studied it and the criticisms of it from both the right and the left.
I would like to converse with you.
I would like to converse with you.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:39 pm to baybeefeetz
Not an expert on but I've read a lot.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:40 pm to baybeefeetz
I know that the term Marxist is thrown around rather loosely around here but don't claim to be an expert
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:42 pm to baybeefeetz
Whittaker Chambers (ex commie spy who become conservative writer) had the single most poignant and correct explanation of what marxism was
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“It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world. It is the vision of man's liberated mind, by the sole force of its rational intelligence, redirecting man's destiny and reorganizing man's life and the world. It is the vision of man, once more the central figure of the Creation, not because God made man in his image, but because man's mind makes him the most intelligent of the animals. Copernicus and his successors displaced man as the central fact of the universe by proving that the earth was not the central star of the universe. Communism restores man to his sovereignty by the simple method of denying God.”
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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single most poignant and correct explanation of what marxism was
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man's second oldest faith.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:45 pm to crazy4lsu
What is the Marxist view of what we may think of as "human nature"?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:59 pm to baybeefeetz
Marxism and the blind obedience to it in academia is the main reason I left grad school.
What do you want to know?
What do you want to know?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:01 pm to baybeefeetz
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Who here thinks they are an expert on Marxism?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:02 pm to baybeefeetz
Simple definition of marxism / communism.
The government owns both the means of production and the distribution of all goods and services. The citizens serve the government instead of the government serving the people.
The government owns both the means of production and the distribution of all goods and services. The citizens serve the government instead of the government serving the people.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:07 pm to baybeefeetz
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would like to converse with you
Let’s roll.
Want to go pure Marxism, or the various flavors such as Bolshevik?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:17 pm to baybeefeetz
Marxists are trash, that’s all you need to know.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:19 pm to baybeefeetz
I was shown this serious American Cartoon from 1948 where "DR. Utopia" sells his Snake Oil Called Ism's to a gullible public until a wise old fellow shows the people what this carney was truly selling..
ISM"S Cartoon Breaking It Down from 1948
ISM"S Cartoon Breaking It Down from 1948
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:20 pm to baybeefeetz
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What is the Marxist view of what we may think of as "human nature"?
That’s an incredibly complicated question because Marxists have debated this among themselves, and some have different versions of what Marx proposed. A school of thought that developed from Louis Althusser said that Marx did have a notion of human nature, as stated in Marx’s work on Feuerbach, with human nature being a set of contingent social relations which were not permanent features of every human, but a broad set of behaviors of how humans would react in certain situations. The notion of human beings being defined by their social context was perhaps first proposed by Hegel, or at least this was Marx’s antecedent, and the broad relationship between the set of social relations and human behavior proved useful in the dialectical view of history. Arguably by invoking “social relations” in his definition of human nature, Marx allowed himself room, in a rhetorical sense, to put forth the very specific class-dialectic which he proposed was ever present in human history, as well as to allow room for other thinkers to add to the notions of what made up social relations without ever directly contradicting Marx.
That is a very short answer which approximates one view of Marx, as later iterations of Marxist thought expanded and complicated these notions. If you are looking for a modern example, the work of Ian Angus attempts to merge ecology with Marxism to put forward ecosocialist arguments, arguments which by definition add ecological and anthropological elements to Marx’s notion of social relations.
I hope this is at least a sufficient answer.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:20 pm to baybeefeetz
Well..if you are looking for someone who majored in Philosophy and Latin American...different universities of course.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:30 pm to Chef Curry
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Marxists are trash, that’s all you need to know.
Marxists are PARASITES, that's all you need to know.
FIFY
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:49 pm to baybeefeetz
My wife lived in the Soviet Union for 12 years. We have friends that lived in the USSR for 30 years and were party members. They all say it sucked and say what BLM and other groups are doing mimics the Bolsheviks and communist revolutionaries. It scares them because Americans are both naive to think it can`t happen here and are also asleep at the wheel.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:52 pm to LSUconvert
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single most poignant and correct explanation of what marxism was
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man's second oldest faith.
Yeah, this is my belief.
That communism always existed, Marx was just it's great proponent and codifier.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:53 pm to Speckhunter2012
I’m sure this dude thought Marxism was a great idea until he caught an ice axe to the face.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:54 pm to TS1926
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My wife lived in the Soviet Union for 12 years. We have friends that lived in the USSR for 30 years and were party members. They all say it sucked and say what BLM and other groups are doing mimics the Bolsheviks and communist revolutionaries. It scares them because Americans are both naive to think it can`t happen here and are also asleep at the wheel.
The GOP needs to get some of these people on the talk show circuit. Along with some Venezuelans.
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