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re: Who do you think you worship?

Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by BigHeads
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:23 pm to
That's like saying if I were born in America I'd be a devout Christian. Hard to find a Christian who has actually read and practices the Bible around this country. Just those who say they do i.e. pharisees
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:26 pm to
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I’m willing to bet that you have some moral values that you’re convinced are better than those of others across the globe; same thing. You didn’t become amoral just because a lot of people get it wrong from your perspective.


I have moral values that are consistent with many disparate religions. This doesn't do anything to sell me on Christianity. Again, I'd probably describe myself as a Deist.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:26 pm to
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Sometimes we have to make a choice..to follow God or go along to get along. When we stand against abortion and the teaching of perversion in our schools we are choosing to obey God rather than seeking the approval of people


You don’t have to worship to do that
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:29 pm to
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That's like saying if I were born in America I'd be a devout Christian. Hard to find a Christian who has actually read and practices the Bible around this country. Just those who say they do i.e. pharisees


OK, so most religious people are frauds but YOU are true. How is this supposed to convince me of anything? All this does is make me think you're unreasonable.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 10:30 pm
Posted by BigHeads
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:31 pm to
Mathew 7:15-16

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 10:37 pm
Posted by civilag08
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:42 pm to
There a lots of things that point to Jesus as the Messiah in the Old Testament.

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out you will come for me one who will be rule over Israel, whose origins are from ancient times. “ Micah 5:2

If the Messiah was supposed to come from the line of king David, why does David in Psalm 110:1 say

1The Lord says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”


and again in verse 4

4 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”


Who was Melchizedek and why did a man as prominent as Abraham pay him tithes in Genesis 14?
Melchizedek was both a king and a high priest, that preceded even Aaron of the Levitical line.

Jesus who preceded time is also our King and High Priest.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:47 pm to
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There a lots of things that point to Jesus as the Messiah in the Old Testament.



And yet, the religion that wrote and is governed by the Old Testament begs to differ with 2000 years of scholarship and argument.
Posted by civilag08
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:51 pm to
Isaiah prophesied this when he said

"Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’

“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”

Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:55 pm to
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Isaiah prophesied this when he said

"Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’

“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”


Again, I ask, how does any of this make sense? It's like a Bigfoot researcher saying "There will never be any proof. No hair, no blood, no bodies. The people will not believe, though sasquatch lives."
Posted by BigHeads
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:55 pm to
Messiah means "anointed one". There have been multiple messiahs. Melchizadek, Moses, Elijah, Jesus, and the one to come. History repeats itself. Or do you not think this will all happen again? It is an ancient war, that predates our written records. My beliefs anyways, we don't have accurate records of all that and it is only hinted at in Genesis. This discussion is a bit beyond what most people can believe or understand without first knowing the truth.
Posted by BigHeads
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:02 pm to
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Again, I ask, how does any of this make sense? It's like a Bigfoot researcher saying "There will never be any proof. No hair, no blood, no bodies. The people will not believe, though sasquatch lives."


Sasquatch didn't leave behind a 2000 year old book that accurately describes future events down to the day, which didn't come true until after his death on the cross. Including the prophecies of the end times which only the intentionally blind wouldn't see as coming true.
Posted by civilag08
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:02 pm to
I believe it because the Word reveals this to you over and over again in many passages. That was one example. The bible has roughly 300 prophecies that point to Jesus in the Old Testament and many more that point to his return in the future. The Old Testament had hundreds of copies that were written and translated in Hebrew and from the second temple period of Hellenistic Greek period that were before the time Jesus came to the earth as a man.

I also believe because God reveals Himself and more of His word to me when I ask and open my heart to him.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:04 pm to
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This discussion is a bit beyond what most people can believe or understand without first knowing the truth.

Agree, this is not productive here. Maybe a new thread.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:07 pm to
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Sasquatch didn't leave behind a 2000 year old book that accurately describes future events down to the day, which didn't come true until after his death on the cross. Including the prophecies of the end times which only the intentionally blind wouldn't see as coming true.


OK, what events were predicted by the Bible down to the day?

Also, many past societies thought they were living in end times.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:09 pm to
In the religious sense? Nothing

If by worship you mean “the thing I most center my life and efforts around”, it would be my family. The overwhelming majority of my actions are directly or indirectly for their present or future benefit.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:11 pm to
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The bible has roughly 300 prophecies that point to Jesus in the Old Testament and many more that point to his return in the future. The Old Testament had hundreds of copies that were written and translated in Hebrew and from the second temple period of Hellenistic Greek period that were before the time Jesus came to the earth as a man.


So the Jews are wrong about their own holy book? You have to understand why this doesn't persuade me. "It's just like, your opinion, man." There are Jewish rebuttals to everything you are saying and I think they're wrong too.

quote:

I also believe because God reveals Himself and more of His word to me when I ask and open my heart to him.

I want to believe but this kind of thing isn't helping. Appreciate your explanation, though.
Posted by civilag08
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:12 pm to
In the time Elijah, when Israel was at war with Syria for three years, Jehoshaphat king of Judah in the south, visited Ahab, king of Israel in the north and asked that Ahab consult with God prior to going to battle with him at Ramoth-Gilead.

Ahab in turn consulted with 400 of his most trusted (lying prophets) who said “Go up to Ramoth-Gilead and prosper, for God will deliver it into the king’s hand”

Unknown to Ahab, God had already numbered the days of Ahab, but Jehoshaphat insisted that Ahab speak with a true prophet of the Lord, so Ahab called up Micaiah who told of the word of the Lord sitting on His throne in the midst of His assembly (the armies of heaven) asking who would persuade Ahab to go up to Ramoth-Gilead and fall. A lying spirit came forth and God allowed this spirit to go forth, to open the mouth of Ahab’s prophets.

That is a strange passage that God would allow a lying spirit to go about, but yet we see the same thing today, so much that God will allow lies to take place and yet truth will be presented to you in turn where there will be no excuse and there will come a point where you will choose truth or lies.

And There will be a time in the future when blindness in part of Israel will be lifted when fullness of the Gentiles is fulfilled that God will once again open the eyes of Israel, who He has blinded when they did not know their Messiah in His first coming, as prophesied in Isaiah.

And. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:13 pm to
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I have moral values that are consistent with many disparate religions. This doesn't do anything to sell me on Christianity.


My point is that you keep saying you require proof. I’m just pointing out that you’ve probably arrived at conclusions about how you’re going to live your life and you never required proof for them. You can’t do a science experiment that shows me it’s wrong to slap around your wife when she gets out of line, but you probably believe that. Other cultures don’t. Why do you believe it?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:16 pm to
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God will allow lies to take place and yet truth will be presented to you in turn where there will be no excuse and there will come a point where you will choose truth or lies.

Again, please, bring it on. If presented with a situation where there is "no excuse," I'll change my name to Paul.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:21 pm to
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You can’t do a science experiment that shows me it’s wrong to slap around your wife when she gets out of line, but you probably believe that. Other cultures don’t. Why do you believe it?


Probably because the Buddha's teaching of Ahimsa states that it is wrong to injure others.
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