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Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:17 am to Tigerlaff
quote:Christ’s death was sufficient to pay the debt of sin for all, but efficient for the elect of God only. Everyone believes in “limited atonement”: some believe it is limited in who it was applied to while others believe it is limited in its power, only making salvation possible rather than making it definite for those whom Christ died.
Only if you're a Calvinist. My parents' Christianity says everyone can be saved. So there, you're wrong.
What Arminianism does is make it possible for Jesus to have died in vain, as it is possible that no one would have exercised saving faith. Calvinism provides assurance for the sinner who has trust in Christ and it provides all glory in salvation to the Godhead.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:27 am to Tigerlaff
Obviously you don’t want faith but demand proof. Without faith it is impossible to please Him. The good news for you is no one can force you to believe. You can live as you please. Ultimately you can accept or reject the free gift and live eternally with your choice.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:28 am to BigHeads
Nothing more crucial in this life than this subject. Thank you for posting.
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LION OF JUDAH
LINK
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 7:29 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:28 am to Tigerlaff
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Only if you're a Calvinist. My parents' Christianity says everyone can be saved. So there, you're wrong.
Not to build on your 'foundation' of exploration and progression, Tl, but you seem to invite ideas that will add to your informational basis for Belief. And make no mistake, Belief is essential, as ultimate Reality likely should, must and is...subjective.
"He that seeks to know God must FIRST BELIEVE that God exists". "If ye have faith such as a mustard seed, you could command a mountain to be cast into the sea..."; that implies that Reality is malleable and subjective. If, assuming that God exist and created us for the purpose of shared Love ("God IS Love"), then God must be respectful to our own volition, as some may choose their 'Self' and the 'worship' of their peers as the epitome of self-based experience.
Assuming God is the infinite sum total of all collective Intellect ("In the beginning was the Word...") and that such is Self-aware and becomes an Entity ("I am, the I Am")...then we can be assured such an 'Entity' does not require or desire our 'worship'. Though for those who experience the high levels of Perception - Love and Beauty at the fore, high adventure and worthy challenge not far behind - then those individuals most certainly would enthusiastically offer their 'worship'. In the form that their Creator would prefer, and for the purpose of the which Humanity was created. Such being Love.
IMO, given your current agnosticism which will be an impediment to a belief-altering transformation ("rebirth" into Spirit) reality and a God/Spiritual Paradigm, you might consider 'worshiping' Love. That is the qualifier that Jesus laid down as the ultimate qualifier "love thy neighbor as thyself". Can't go wrong there, as neither God nor The Son would condemn such.
There is Salvation, and there are infinite degrees of reward and punishment. Heaven will not a place where all Souls are equal; but it will be obvious that all Souls can progress toward equality. That would suffice for any honest Soul who joyfully accepted the task of knowing themselves (knowing Evil) and making an educated choice to serve Love over Lucifer's competitive Narcissist. Principle
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:50 am to Tigerlaff
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If you can't see the truth of Osiris and Horus from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, then it will be too late for you when you attempt to enter the afterlife.
Upon whose foundation of truth are Osiris and Horus and its worship of the Sun?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:53 am to Tigerlaff
Tigerlaff please allow me to put it in another way. Though I am responding to you, this bodes for everyone. Every religion in the world has the power to change a man's mind, the way he thinks, and in doing so convinces that man that their way is the truth. However, that man just has a changed mind, not a changed heart.
This is the shortcoming of religion, they only have the power to change the mind and not the heart. Only one religion has the power to change a man's heart. God has never been concerned about what man thinks, but rather always in who man is.
Therefore, there is only one way for a man's heart to be changed, and that is through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, "And such were some of you..." showing past tense and a change. If you were to read the surrounding verses to get the full context, you will be able to see it is not what we think, but rather it is about who we are.
Therefore, if I may submit, it is not about being convinced in one's mind that Jesus is real, but rather a surrender of one's heart that proves that he is, because only he has the power to change a man's heart.
To answer the OP's question, I worship the only True God who exists as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. God the Father showing his love for me sent God the Son to die for my sins while I was yet a sinner, then giving God the Holy Ghost to me to bear witness in my heart that I am adopted into God's family through repentance and faith. As a result, he, and he alone is worthy of my praise and my worship. He alone is who I live for, may he be glorified in all that I think, all that I say and all that I do.
This is the shortcoming of religion, they only have the power to change the mind and not the heart. Only one religion has the power to change a man's heart. God has never been concerned about what man thinks, but rather always in who man is.
Therefore, there is only one way for a man's heart to be changed, and that is through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, "And such were some of you..." showing past tense and a change. If you were to read the surrounding verses to get the full context, you will be able to see it is not what we think, but rather it is about who we are.
Therefore, if I may submit, it is not about being convinced in one's mind that Jesus is real, but rather a surrender of one's heart that proves that he is, because only he has the power to change a man's heart.
To answer the OP's question, I worship the only True God who exists as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. God the Father showing his love for me sent God the Son to die for my sins while I was yet a sinner, then giving God the Holy Ghost to me to bear witness in my heart that I am adopted into God's family through repentance and faith. As a result, he, and he alone is worthy of my praise and my worship. He alone is who I live for, may he be glorified in all that I think, all that I say and all that I do.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:21 am to BigHeads
That’s because you don’t have an answer for me. Just don’t say that the Bible accurately predicts events to this day, because that’s not true.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:29 am to sta4ever
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That’s because you don’t have an answer for me. Just don’t say that the Bible accurately predicts events to this day, because that’s not true.
Actually, it is because you are purposefully and willfully misconstruing and twisting my words, to suit your own ends. And as such I have called you exactly what Jesus would call you, a pharisee. If you read any of the gospel, you will see that the art of twisting words is the same art as one who would yell to crucify him. You are thereby persecuting the Lord.
So I did answer your question, just not the way you wanted. Luke 22:63-65
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:41 am to BigHeads
How did I twist your words? Maybe I just took what you’re saying, in a different way than you were thinking.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:44 am to FooManChoo
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Calvinism provides assurance for the sinner who has trust in Christ and it provides all glory in salvation to the Godhead.
Many learned Protestants today charge Calvin with erroneous Bible interpretation because of his background in Roman Catholic theology. In fact, they argue that Calvin got his Christianity largely from some of the writings of Augustine of Hippo.
I do admire your ardor, but, your views are in the minority even among your fellow Protestants.
Also, as I have pointed out before, the Apostles regarded the Septuagint as being Holy Scripture, but, Protestants discarded that part of the Bible over 1,500 years after Christ walked the Earth. As such, if we are to rely on "Scripture Alone", I find it quite important that you don't accept the whole Bible as being "The Bible", and so, it's impossible for you to rely on "Scripture Alone."
There's no getting around it. It's historical fact: the Apostles had no problem with accepting the Septuagint as Holy Scripture. And, because the Apostles learned everything directly from Jesus Christ Himself, it follows that they learned this directly from Him.
I realize that, back in the 1500s and 1600s, when men created your religion, the scholarship wasn't complete enough to allow proper conclusions, but, in the Centuries that have passed, the scholarship improved.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:48 am to sta4ever
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How did I twist your words? Maybe I just took what you’re saying, in a different way than you were thinking.
Read the Gospel, pray for understanding, and you will find the answers. I like Luke and John.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 8:55 am to Champagne
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Champagne
Mark 9:40
For the one who is not against us is for us.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:02 am to Tigerlaff
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If I’m simply delusional and wrong about a Holy Creator, then the lights go out and I’ll never know any different…..but if I’m correct in my beliefs, along with hundreds of millions of other Believers…..where does that put you? Are you arrogant and prideful enough to believe you’re on top of the cosmic lottery totem pole?
So literally just Pascal's Wager. Pathetic. And you can frick off with the arrogance and pride bit. I've said that I want to believe and struggle with it. I'm no Dawkins school loud and proud atheist.
I struggle with my faith daily as did some of the most inspiring Believers throughout history……it’s why I read the Bible and pray for revelation and understanding, to keep my connection with the Creator. If you’re sincerely seeking Truth and choosing to walk in the Spirit rather than the flesh it’s amazing how often the Creator will acknowledge your commitment to Him in some of the most amazing ways.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:04 am to BigHeads
I’ve already done all of these.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:05 am to CPTDCKHD
Yeah I'm sure you have really faced incredibly difficult persecution on TigerDroppings
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:07 am to sta4ever
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I’ve already done all of these.
Do it again, I read it every day, and every day I learn something new. I've got a lot to,learn.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:08 am to TrussvilleTide
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Yeah I'm sure you have really faced incredibly difficult persecution on TigerDroppings ?
Well, right now I am being mocked because I testify of the Lord. How is your day so far?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:09 am to BigHeads
You think mean words online are persecution?
We need a snowflake emoji.
We need a snowflake emoji.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 9:12 am to TrussvilleTide
I think your actions show your intent. I think it obvious you wish me to shutup and stop quoting the Bible. The only thing I feel right now is pity for you and your soul, and I will pray for you.
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